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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    How often do you try and diagnose your friends and relations?
    I know the one's that are homophobic if that is what you are asking.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

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    I know the one's that are homophobic if that is what you are asking.
    Have you tried to have them sectioned yet?
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

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    etymology (ety¦mol|ogy)

    Pronunciation: /ˌɛtɪˈmɒlədʒi/
    noun (plural etymologies)
    [mass noun]

    * the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history: the decline of etymology as a linguistic discipline
    *[count noun] the origin of a word and the historical development of its meaning: the etymology of the word ‘devil’
    No, the term fundamentalist is not easily applied to Roman Catholicism. Traditionalist is usually a better term for the more anti-modern elements of Catholicism.
    Better according to your ideology.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Have you tried to have them sectioned yet?
    I don't think homophobia qualifies for that. I do know people though that think gay sex deserves that.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    etymology (ety¦mol|ogy)

    Pronunciation: /ˌɛtɪˈmɒlədʒi/
    noun (plural etymologies)
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    *[count noun] the origin of a word and the historical development of its meaning: the etymology of the word ‘devil’
    See bold, plus I do not have to accept how a word has changed it meaning, particularly such an ideological and silly neologism as 'homophobia'.

    Better according to your ideology.
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    No. These are vague terms, but fundamentalism is a reaction to modernism which adapts many of its aspects, it is very narrow, literal and concerned with rather rigid fundamentals. The Pope, as an Augustinian, probably has less of a narrow, literal, fundamentalist way of thinking than Dawkins or Dennett or Stephen Fry or perhaps your good self.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See bold, plus I do not have to accept how a word has changed it meaning,
    You don't have to accept it, of course not. You can refuse to accept that 'gay' now means 'homosexual', but in doing so you make yourself look rather foolish. The origins of a word are always interesting, the current meaning of a word may indeed have changed somewhat between origin and modern usage. For example:
    fundamentalist
    coined 1920 in the religious sense (as is fundamentalism), from fundamental + -ist. Coined in Amer.Eng. to name a movement among Protestants c.1920-25 based on scriptural inerrancy, etc., and associated with William Jennings Bryan, among others.
    From: Online Etymological Dictionary.

    Do you think that using the word fundamentalist is really only accurate when discussing protestant biblical inerrancy? Of course not. The meaning has changed, whether you or tohers accept that change or not. Had it not changed the term Islamic Fundamentalist would be entirely oxymoronic.

    No. These are vague terms, but fundamentalism is a reaction to modernism which adapts many of its aspects, it is very narrow, literal and concerned with rather rigid fundamentals.
    You see? You've just placed a modern definition on the word that does not relate directly to its origins. That's fine with me, even though I don't accept your new definition. You have every right not to accept the OED's definition of homophobia, but don't expect anyone else to accept your redefinitions of the lexicon with the same degree of respect that's accorded to the OED.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    It's gay sex when one homosexual male penetrates another homosexual male. It's straight sex when a male and a female get it on. There are distinguishing factors. It's how we conservatives shed light on your clouded logic.
    Well, of course sex by gays is gay sex.

    But it's not like gays can do sex acts that straights can't, or don't all the time.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    No, it didn't. You were using the same stupid redirection ploy that all liberals use when they are cornered. If you can't answer a question, blame George Bush or the conservatives!!!
    Yep, way over your head.

    I don't like legalized gay marriage. That's my beef. I happen to be a traditionalist when it comes to this subject, and homosexuals should have no part in it. Just like polygamists, bigamists, or lovers of beasts should have no part in it.
    Mine mine mine!

    What about interracial couples? Banning those is "traditional" too.

    An argument based on nothing more than "it's traditional" isn't an argument.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    Problem not solved. We still have to deal with the agendas, media messages, leftist educators.... Phew! so much work yet to be done!
    No you don't. If we had gay marriage, there would be no more "agendas" or media messages necessary.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You do know there are traditional Christians ways of reading and interpreting Scripture right? That these fully explain why we do not have to maintain the Jewish dietary laws but do have to keep to basic sexual morality and other such rules?
    Yes, I know that Christians have a long tradition of cherry picking.
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