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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Is it my fault your sophistry doesn't really deserve a counter argument? Half the time you're rambling about people your teachers tell you about, the other half you're just rambling incoherently.
    Oh, you cut me with your words Hatuey. How will I survive being insulted by a drooling stoner incapable of constructing either a decent argument or an insult with a modicum of wit, I don't know. All I'll be able to say is at least he didn't praise me, then I'd be really screwed.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Of course you do. I'm not the one here trying to impose martial law on acceptable and unacceptable opinions. You can say whatever hate-driven, fundamentalist religious claptrap comes so easily to mind. Free speech and all that.
    I find fundamentalism far better than ideology, the former is at least concerned with what matters in life, the latter is just the science of idiocy. The term homophobia fits this science so well, no wonder its students and its scholars (our Hatuey has a doctorate of this science; there was a final exam in driving stoned with children I hear) love it.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I find fundamentalism far better than ideology, the former is at least concerned with what matters in life, the latter is just the science of idiocy. The term homophobia fits this science so well, no wonder its students and its scholars (our Hatuey has a doctorate of this science; there was a final exam in driving stoned with children I hear) love it.
    Fundamentalism IS an ideology, or hadn't you noticed? It's pretty much the set of ideas (ideology, geddit?) that drives the political and social policies of all sorts of regimes and politicians: the Supreme Leader of the Iranian state, the Pope, Rick Santorum. That list is not exhaustive, btw.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Fundamentalism IS an ideology, or hadn't you noticed? It's pretty much the set of ideas (ideology, geddit?) that drives the political and social policies of all sorts of regimes and politicians: the Supreme Leader of the Iranian state, the Pope, Rick Santorum. That list is not exhaustive, btw.
    So anyone who has political and social policies is an ideologue? Or just a random and large slice of them?

    What about those who diagnose their opponents? Is this the mark of an ideologue? Or just good harmless fun?

    Instead of arguing with our opponents here, we could draw up lists of their symptoms and offer cures.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    So anyone who has political and social policies is an ideologue?

    What about those who diagnose their opponents? Is this the mark of an ideologue?
    Yes, and no. This is becoming tedious. From the OED:

    ideology (ideol|ogy)

    Pronunciation: /ˌʌɪdɪˈɒlədʒi, ɪd-/
    noun

    *1 (plural ideologies) a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy: the ideology of republicanism
    *the set of beliefs characteristic of a social group or individual: a critique of bourgeois ideology
    ideologue (ideo|logue)

    Pronunciation: /ˈʌɪdɪəlɒg, ˈɪd-/
    noun

    *an adherent of an ideology, especially one who is uncompromising and dogmatic: a right-wing ideologue
    homophobia (homo|pho¦bia)

    Pronunciation: /ˌhɒməˈfəʊbɪə, ˌhəʊmə-/
    noun
    [mass noun]

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    an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.
    Basing your views of people based on fundamentalist religious views, in my opinion, is extreme and irrational. Nothing to do with psychoanalysis, a branch of psychology that has had its own problems with regard to homophobia too.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    The point is the term homophobia, obviously. It is consciously named so as to imply some sort of disorder in one's opponent. It is pseudo-psychoanalytical and sinister.

    The Pope is not a fundamentalist, anyway. Not in any meaningful use of the term.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    The point is the term homophobia, obviously. It is consciously named so as to imply some sort of disorder in one's opponent. It is pseudo-analytical and sinister.
    The term means nothing more or less than the definition I posted.

    The Pope is not a fundamentalist, anyway. Not in any meaningful use of the term.
    In your opinion.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The term means nothing more or less than the definition I posted.
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    In your opinion.
    No, the term fundamentalist is not easily applied to Roman Catholicism. Traditionalist is usually a better term for the more anti-modern elements of Catholicism.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    The point is the term homophobia, obviously. It is consciously named so as to imply some sort of disorder in one's opponent. .
    Opponent?

    it is not a a matter of pugilism.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Opponent?

    it is not a a matter of pugilism.
    How often do you try and diagnose your friends and relations?
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