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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    If someone is a Christian and decides to believe that homosexuality is not a sin is willfully ignorance and has fallen into deception in my opinion.

    Stop thinking everyone who views homosexuality as a sin literally hates homosexuals. Most would view premarital sex, theft, drunkenness, and other sins to be sinful according to the Bible without hating those who commit them. It's illogical and ignorant to hold such a bigoted view against a group of people based off of their moral convictions.

    In an adult word, anyway....
    It's also illogical and ignorant to belittle, and treat Christians who don't believe it as a sin poorly. Not calling you out digs, just saying.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Because that's what Christ said??

    LMFAO!!
    Scripture tells us homosexuality is a sin. As do the Fathers and the Sacred Tradition of the Church.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

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    It's also illogical and ignorant to belittle, and treat Christians who don't believe it as a sin poorly. Not calling you out digs, just saying.
    It depends how they articulate their view. I have never come across a Christian who held such a view who did so according to anything like a traditional Christian viewpoint.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    To me it is clearly the implication of the title of this thread that gay marriage is not another nail in the coffin or anything like that, but in itself a grave threat to humanity.

    of course it is to YOU, thats the point, thanks for proving it LMAO
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    It depends how they articulate their view. I have never come across a Christian who held such a view who did so according to anything like a traditional Christian viewpoint.
    Traditional Christian could mean anything, it has changed so vastly over the years it's hard to give a certain sect of Christianity the label of traditional.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Scripture tells us homosexuality is a sin.

    You mean an abomination... right along with shellfish, wearing clothing of mixed threads, and mixing with other religions...

    Archaic early western civ society codes have no relevance in modern society.

    Jesus never mentions it, therefore Christianity should have no negative opinion of it.

    As do the Fathers and the Sacred Tradition of the Church.
    You mean the fathers selling their underage daughters for land or a goat = traditional marriage.

    Or the early church tradition of men having as many wives, servants, and sex slaves as they could afford. or Polygamy.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Traditional Christian could mean anything, it has changed so vastly over the years it's hard to give a certain sect of Christianity the label of traditional.
    Actually a lot of the core has stayed the same or been quite similar. The same hieratic, sacramental, symbolic, teleological, broadly realist and Christ-centred vision has been the basis, perhaps with some partial changes by the main 'reformers', of traditional Christianity from Paul to Luther and Cranmer. It is correct to see some of the reformers beginning to foreshadow some of the elements of modernist thinking, but they still very much side, in content and sensibilities, with the earlier Church.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You mean an abomination... right along with shellfish, wearing clothing of mixed threads, and mixing with other religions...

    Archaic early western civ society codes have no relevance in modern society.

    Jesus never mentions it, therefore Christianity should have no negative opinion of it.
    Paul mentions. Paul is an Apostle of Christ and was accepted as such by the other Apostles, such as Peter, the rock on whom the Church was built, and St.John the Evangelist, the disciple whom Christ loved and who is considered one of only three Saints to be a Theologian, or someone who had seen the face of God, by the Eastern Orthodox Church. St. Paul speaks with the authority of Christ.


    You mean the fathers selling their underage daughters for land or a goat = traditional marriage.

    Or the early church tradition of men having as many wives, servants, and sex slaves as they could afford. or Polygamy.
    I beginning to think you have a certain lack of historical knowledge on the matter.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Actually a lot of the core has stayed the same or been quite similar. The same hieratic, sacramental, symbolic, teleological, broadly realist and Christ-centred vision has been the basis, perhaps with some partial changes by the main 'reformers', of traditional Christianity from Paul to Luther and Cranmer. It is correct to see some of the reformers beginning to foreshadow some of the elements of modernist thinking, but they still very much side, in content and sensibilities, with the earlier Church.
    The very early church was much more like a pagan religion, and oriented on rituals than even today's Catholics would understand. The church has drastically changed over the years, and while yes the whole Jesus thing has been consistent the minutia around the religion has changed, vastly. And obviously homosexuality is not a big topic, nor thing in the church. It has basically nothing to do with Christianity.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The very early church was much more like a pagan religion, and oriented on rituals than even today's Catholics would understand.
    What do you mean by this? You are betraying a modernist viewpoint. In the Early Church the sacraments and such like would not be considered simply memorialist ritual. They would have been considered as part of a complex relationship of matter, spirit and God.

    The church has drastically changed over the years, and while yes the whole Jesus thing has been consistent the minutia around the religion has changed, vastly. And obviously homosexuality is not a big topic, nor thing in the church. It has basically nothing to do with Christianity.
    Actually ideas of gender and controlling lust and the correct ways to pursue our desires are central to Christianity.
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