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    Re: Report: Iran Sentences U.S. Man to Death for Alleged Spying

    I just read this today.

    [You beat me to it Hugh. ]

    If he's executed, then that's just another reason to go to war against Iran/Tehran.

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    Re: Report: Iran Sentences U.S. Man to Death for Alleged Spying

    The guy was taught Arabic by the Marines, and after his stint there worked for a government defense contractor.

    Our governments silence on the matter is deafening. If this guy was really being railroaded, we would be bitching up one side and down the other.

    I'm fairly certain he is a U.S. intelligence agent that got caught with his hand in the nan-e nokhodchi jar.

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    Re: Report: Iran Sentences U.S. Man to Death for Alleged Spying

    Yeah, he's disposable.

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    Re: Report: Iran Sentences U.S. Man to Death for Alleged Spying

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Iran is only doing what any country should do if it catches a spy. I am not to sure if this man is or isn't a spy. I realize that some regular people are stupid enough to deliberatly travel to a country that is hostile to Americans.But he isn't the first American to be in Iran tried and sentenced on spying charges,so I have to wonder if Iran's claims are true. If the man is executed maybe this will be a wake up call to Americans wanting to travel to countries hostile to Americans. There is a reason why there are travel warnings and other **** on countries hostile to Americans.
    Dude, Iran accuses a couple of twenty-something-year-old hikers of being American spies. Their credibility is shot.

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    Re: Report: Iran Sentences U.S. Man to Death for Alleged Spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Yeah, he's disposable.
    Unfortunately in the greater sense of things, he is.

    Because really, what are you going to do? Go in there and get him out and start a war that has the capacity to kill millions for one man?

    It's like when North Korea sunk that South Korean ship, blatantly and obviously, but we didn't go to war over it... Why? Because if we had tens of millions of people would have died. Those soldiers took that Torpedo so the rest of the South Korean people and the armed forces of NATO didn't have to.

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    Re: Report: Iran Sentences U.S. Man to Death for Alleged Spying

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Dude, Iran accuses a couple of twenty-something-year-old hikers of being American spies. Their credibility is shot.
    How do you know they are not spies?How many Americans on a regular basis go "Hey! I feel likely going to a war torn country that has terrorists in it that are trying to kill Americans because I want to go hiking along the border of a country that is extremely hostile to Americans"? That make as much as sense as a black man knowingly going to a KKK rally deep in the woods all by himself unarmed in the middle of the night and with no cell phone. There are a million other places on the planet to go hiking at.
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    Re: Report: Iran Sentences U.S. Man to Death for Alleged Spying

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How do you know they are not spies?How many Americans on a regular basis go "Hey! I feel likely going to a war torn country that has terrorists in it that are trying to kill Americans because I want to go hiking along the border of a country that is extremely hostile to Americans"? That make as much as sense as a black man knowingly going to a KKK rally deep in the woods all by himself unarmed in the middle of the night and with no cell phone. There are a million other places on the planet to go hiking at.
    Self endangerment - mid being a nuisance.

    When our citizens go to other countries and flount the borders and push button I think that's all it comes down to - and I'm less than concerned. It's not like they didn't know they were poking at a sleep pitbull.
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    Re: Report: Iran Sentences U.S. Man to Death for Alleged Spying

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    We don't know if the alleged confession was extracted by coercion e.g., inhuman treatment, even torture. Iran has well-documented abuses of human rights (Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc.), so such coercion cannot be discounted.
    Hold on there buddy. We, the USA, have a documented stranglehold on torture and it's legal. So is inhuman treatment, coercion, a la AbuGrabass and Gitmo. The statements made as a result of this torture are admissable in Court. GITMO. Military Tribunals. Are you suggesting our sacred rule of law doesn't apply to Iran?

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    Re: Report: Iran Sentences U.S. Man to Death for Alleged Spying

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    We don't know if the alleged confession was extracted by coercion e.g., inhuman treatment, even torture. Iran has well-documented abuses of human rights (Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc.), so such coercion cannot be discounted.
    I think I was fairly clear that torture may have been used. Of course, we won't ever know for sure. Even if he is released and returns, he may not show any external signs of torture, hence we'd only have his word for it. I'd probably stick my neck out and say that he is more than likely to have been interrogated using fairly severe methods.
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    Re: Report: Iran Sentences U.S. Man to Death for Alleged Spying

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    This is an unfortunate incident. It was also wholly avoidable. Mr. Hekmati should never have been in Iran. The State Department has been warning for years about travel to Iran. A current warning is posted: Iran. Mr. Hekmati chose to ignore the warnings. He did so even as any rational person would understand that an American's traveling in Iran could be problematic and one with a military background would face even higher odds of being apprehended or worse.

    Hopefully, the U.S. and other countries can press Iran to avoid an "execution" at a minimum and hopefully he will be released early. In addition, even if Mr. Hekmati is ultimately released, he should be publicly rebuked for having ignored the travel warnings. Unfortunately, because some people deliberately ignore the travel warnings, it might be helpful for there to be a public face to the warnings. Maybe, if some of those individuals saw that ignoring the warnings can have real consequences, they would take a more prudent course.
    I agree with your statement, except the bolded portion. To publicly rebuke a man who has broken no US laws would just be pandering to Iran.

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