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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

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    Oh well if NEWT GINGRICH SAYS IT!

    Don't worry iliveonramen you don't have to take him seriously.

    He once used Conservapedia as a source. Shows you how deep down the rabbit hole of right wing partisanship he's gone.
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    Hey you want to make an argument, then back it up with credible sources.
    ....... and Lamer. I can't see anyone wanting to waste time with such nonsense from you. If you can't debate, then maybe just go away from the thread, eh ?

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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    j-mac,

    Unions jobs are a minority of jobs in the US. It's hard to demonize unions as the culprit when they make up such a small minority of private sector jobs.
    True that Private sector unions make up only about 7% of jobs in the US, it is not due to a lack of power of unions in this country, nor policies like card check that only by the attentiveness of the people keeping this from becoming law in this country, thank God!

    Also, that public sector Unions hold such sway today, and should really be abolished en total, is also a corrosive plague on our system.

    Driving regulation that makes this country burdensome, and uncompetitive is at the heart of the deficit. There is no argument to that.

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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Except that those factors are relatively constant in any time-frame. What we have with our LFPR these last four years is an Acapulco cliff dive.
    Are they constant right now? Where is the information for this? It seems that some things are going to change, especially if people are trying to adapt to a change in times.
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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Hey you want to make an argument, then back it up with credible sources.
    When you become the arbiter of what is credible and what isn't, that'll be the day. Now, either discuss what I posted, or move on....You're not adding anything to the conversation other than diversion.

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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So...lets say we got rid of every regulation on the book (the most extreme case) you think that an American worker would be able to compete with the labor costs of China?
    I think that if you make America competitive with comparable regulation, and taxation, we would out produce anyone in the world with a superior product, head to head. It really has little to do with what you pay the line worker.

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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Others already have provided some more specific data. But I have already mentioned agencies such as the EPA and NLRB. I have mentioned 3 years of UI. But most importatnly, if you were concerned, you would do some research yourself.
    I know the arguments but it doesn't explain why highly regulated Eurpean countries can compete and doesn't explain how that's the reason jobs are going to China not that they are paid 250 bucks a month.

    Not necessarily, but we would come closer to leveling the playing field if we did take a hard look at many regulations and other government encumberances that are as anchors around capitalism stateside.
    I have no problems with getting rid of dumb regulations where the cost are not worth the benefit. I don't think anybody has a problem with that. The fact is conservative "anti-regulation" rhetoric goes from getting rid of child labor laws to getting rid of emission standards. That is what I don't agree with.

    Government union jobs are not the minority of tax-payer funded jobs. Especially at the state and local levels. It could also be said that Unions ruined our competitive advantage in the auto industry. It is clear as day that virtually all the new auto plants (almost all building foreign models, btw) built in the last two decades in the US are in right-to-work states. Got an explanation for that ?
    Of course corporations are going to go to a state where workers have no bargaining rights.....thats not the reason those companies come to the US. They come because they want a piece of our domestic market. All right to work states do is provide a comparative advantage within the US. Compainies are not deciding between China and Alabama and choose Alabama....the are choosing between Ohio and Alabama and choose Alabama.
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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think that if you make America competitive with comparable regulation, and taxation, we would out produce anyone in the world with a superior product, head to head. It really has little to do with what you pay the line worker.

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    I'm not arguing against head to head production or product quality. I'm arguing the fact that Chinese workers have a living standard where you can pay them 250 bucks a month and work them long hours. I find it hard to believe that in any way besides basically our standard of living completely dissapearing or the Chinese workers standard of living increasing can we compete with Chinese labor.
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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Are they constant right now? Where is the information for this? It seems that some things are going to change, especially if people are trying to adapt to a change in times.
    Whoa. It was you who first raised the point that they were somehow not constant, and therefore using your unsupported point to give some perverted credibility to the drop in LFPR, other than the obvious.

    If you are now claiming that it is the poor job situation at the root of it all, then we are in agreement. It also means that our unemployment rate is a farce as reported, as when we face such negative times, it does not accurately reflect what is really happening.
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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I know the arguments but it doesn't explain why highly regulated Eurpean countries can compete and doesn't explain how that's the reason jobs are going to China not that they are paid 250 bucks a month.
    Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and Ireland are not competing. Many other European countries have higher unemployment than do we.

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    I have no problems with getting rid of dumb regulations where the cost are not worth the benefit. I don't think anybody has a problem with that. The fact is conservative "anti-regulation" rhetoric goes from getting rid of child labor laws to getting rid of emission standards. That is what I don't agree with.
    We fundamentally agree. I am very Conservative. I do not want to pollute the skies and work kids to death, despite what witch Pelosi and that poodle Wasserman-Shultz say.

    Of course corporations are going to go to a state where workers have no bargaining rights.....thats not the reason those companies come to the US. They come because they want a piece of our domestic market. All right to work states do is provide a comparative advantage within the US. Compainies are not deciding between China and Alabama and choose Alabama....the are choosing between Ohio and Alabama and choose Alabama.
    But my point apparently served as a perfect response to illustrate to the negative impact of unions on comparative advantage. As you acknowledge.

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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    They make up a much larger part of the education system, which is the single largest determinent of how educated our current work force is, and how educated our future work force will be. And education of course being important factors in crime rate, whether they will go on to be productive and pay taxes, or criminals and suck taxes, or welfare junkies who have 5 kids and suck taxes, it affects birth rate, it affacts their probability of saving and having a self-funded retirement, it determines our global competitiveness, and helps move domestic industry to higher skilled labor, etc. etc.

    You do know the political power that teachers unions wield right? And how they are the largest(?) political donor organizations?

    No, it's not very hard is it. One traffic accident can block a freeway for miles and impact far more than just the accident participants.
    Personally I would say that parents are the single largest determinent of how educated our work force is. As far as teacher unions go, I don't see students from non-unionized charter schools performing better than students from unionized public schools.

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