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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
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    Oh well if NEWT GINGRICH SAYS IT!

    Don't worry iliveonramen you don't have to take him seriously.

    He once used Conservapedia as a source. Shows you how deep down the rabbit hole of right wing partisanship he's gone.

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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, 500K people retired or enrolled in collage in the last two months? Bull!


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    Or decided to become a stay-at-home parent or became disabled or moved to another country or died or possibly other things that would take them out of those looking for work.
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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I believe his previous paragraph, and previous posts, mention that "When we impose egregious regulations on production and labor, via such as our EPA and NLRB and a host of other agencies, while we import products that cost less primarily because they are produced with no such added costs, we are destroying advantage"

    We are at a competitive disadvantage worldwide when we handicap our own processes.
    So...lets say we got rid of every regulation on the book (the most extreme case) you think that an American worker would be able to compete with the labor costs of China?
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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    j-mac,

    Unions jobs are a minority of jobs in the US. It's hard to demonize unions as the culprit when they make up such a small minority of private sector jobs.
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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by satnightpoly View Post
    Too much work to look for work, I like that!

    Sure times are hard but people need to stop looking for a hand out and at least keep trying. Success is not assured but the opportunity to succeed is, that is the promise of America. If we don't have that then what do we have?
    Why is everyone not looking for work automatically getting a hand out from the government? Maybe a family decided that one of the spouses makes enough to care for the whole family if they cut back on a few things, so one is staying home. Maybe the person is living in their parent's basement. You may not approve of this, but isn't that up to the parents who allow it? Maybe a person was able to make an arrangement with a family member or close friend to become a livein helper for room and board and possibly a little extra spending money (I have such a person living with me now), whether they are helping take care of children, helping take care of an elderly or disabled person, or just doing cleaning and/or maintenance tasks around the house.

    It is also quite possible that some of those who went to college had just gotten out of the military (most can get unemployment right after getting out) and used their Post 9-11 GIBill to pay for school and provide money for expenses. Now they're no longer on unemployment, but wouldn't be getting anything they didn't earn.
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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    j-mac,Unions jobs are a minority of jobs in the US. It's hard to demonize unions as the culprit when they make up such a small minority of private sector jobs.
    They make up a much larger part of the education system, which is the single largest determinent of how educated our current work force is, and how educated our future work force will be. And education of course being important factors in crime rate, whether they will go on to be productive and pay taxes, or criminals and suck taxes, or welfare junkies who have 5 kids and suck taxes, it affects birth rate, it affacts their probability of saving and having a self-funded retirement, it determines our global competitiveness, and helps move domestic industry to higher skilled labor, etc. etc.

    You do know the political power that teachers unions wield right? And how they are the largest(?) political donor organizations?

    No, it's not very hard is it. One traffic accident can block a freeway for miles and impact far more than just the accident participants.
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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Oh well if NEWT GINGRICH SAYS IT!

    Don't worry iliveonramen you don't have to take him seriously.

    He once used Conservapedia as a source. Shows you how deep down the rabbit hole of right wing partisanship he's gone.
    I couldn't care less weather you like what I post or not, and I have never claimed that I wasn't partisan. Are you saying you're not? hahaha....But, the glaring thing is that rather than address what I posted from Newt, you chose to attack me personally, that says alot. You've got nothing.

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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    If your going to make an accusation like that why not be a little more specific. Please point out how liberalism has made the US uncompetitive.
    Others already have provided some more specific data. But I have already mentioned agencies such as the EPA and NLRB. I have mentioned 3 years of UI. But most importatnly, if you were concerned, you would do some research yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So...lets say we got rid of every regulation on the book (the most extreme case) you think that an American worker would be able to compete with the labor costs of China?
    Not necessarily, but we would come closer to leveling the playing field if we did take a hard look at many regulations and other government encumberances that are as anchors around capitalism stateside.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Unions jobs are a minority of jobs in the US. It's hard to demonize unions as the culprit when they make up such a small minority of private sector jobs.
    Government union jobs are not the minority of tax-payer funded jobs. Especially at the state and local levels. It could also be said that Unions ruined our competitive advantage in the auto industry. It is clear as day that virtually all the new auto plants (almost all building foreign models, btw) built in the last two decades in the US are in right-to-work states. Got an explanation for that ?

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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I couldn't care less weather you like what I post or not, and I have never claimed that I wasn't partisan. Are you saying you're not? hahaha....But, the glaring thing is that rather than address what I posted from Newt, you chose to attack me personally, that says alot. You've got nothing.

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    Hey you want to make an argument, then back it up with credible sources.

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    Re: U.S. Payrolls Gain More-Than-Expected 200,000; Jobless Rate Falls to 8.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Or decided to become a stay-at-home parent or became disabled or moved to another country or died or possibly other things that would take them out of those looking for work.
    Except that those factors are relatively constant in any time-frame. What we have with our LFPR these last four years is an Acapulco cliff dive.

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