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    Re: US military cutbacks

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    And the funding comes from?
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Finally something I agree with Obama about, Military is oversized to say the least.

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Obama is not going to threaten China and China isn't going to be a threat very soon.

    Also, it should be noted that the Pentagon is going to cut its budget by doing less spending on the Army and the Marine Corps. Much less spending cuts will be applied to the Navy and the Air Force. This is so that the U.S. can maintain global power projection while cutting costs.

    Most of our intervention with China can be done by the Navy, so it makes sense to cut spending by reducing soldiers and marines. It's only if the **** hits the fan that we'll need to increase the number of soldiers and marines again, and if that happens we have a group of very experienced veterans that we can recall if we need to.
    I have a few issues with this statement.
    1) The US cannot maintain global power projection without ground troops. The number one way we ensure we can stabilize a hostile area is send a Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) in. I won't go into it, but here is a link to explain what they do.
    Marine expeditionary unit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    A US Navy ship, sitting off the coast of some foreign land, does not project anything other than the people of the foreign land saying, "Wow, that's a big ship out there." You need troops to hit the ground to gain any kind stability in any theater.
    2) China is not a military threat right now. They know that if we fought each other everyone would gang up on them and we would probably fight to a standstill for about 3-4 years. During that time, the power vaccuum would be intense and another country would step in to fill it while we were distracted. We are also their number one consumer, so why would they kill their consumers?
    3)The statement about just recalling veterans sounds so easy and non-chalant to you. Yeah, lets just rip some 35 year old guy, who may have PTSD, started a family and overcame that, has finally gotten stable in his job, out of his life and put him in some foreign land. Screw him. He shouldn't have volunteered to begin with and he wouldn't be in this situation right?
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Finally something I agree with Obama about, Military is oversized to say the least.
    The military was oversized before the first cut. Now, its right where it needs to be and he's cutting it again.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    I'm all for the cuts. Cut, cut, cut. I just find it ironic that liberals are so behind it when, in the same breath, they bemoan that any cuts in spending will hurt the economy and cost Americans jobs. Using the "greater than the next top 10 combined" argument seems disingenuous when insisting that other spending be measured as a % of GDP and military spending be measured in nominal dollars.

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    I agree with samsmart that it's smart to cut the Army and Marine Corps first. I'm no expert on military strategy but it seems to me that in the age when we can put a bomb in someone's office from a drone at 80,000 feet that there is no need to continue supporting an infrastructure designed for outdated warfare.
    Don't fall prey to the technology hype. This generations Predator drones are last generations Cruise missiles. Remember that? Clinton would launch a cruise missile in a heart beat and say it killed this guy or that and then the same guy would emerge days later unharmed. Same happens with drones. Nothing ever replaces boots on the ground.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    I won't argue that boots on the ground is the best way to KNOW that an enemy threat is neutralized.

    What I WILL argue, though, is why our military budget is the absolute largest in the world, by a considerable margin, for such a so called peaceful nation. Si vis pacem, para bellum, be damned. I'm sorry, but I just feel like we have this need to constantly have our guns pointed at someone. And from my friends over seas, they feel the same way. Last I checked, there ain't no german, chinese, french, or any other coountries, basis anywhere near where I live, or anyone else I know in this country. Try doing THAT in any other country, and you'll fail. Someone will know someone else who lives near a US military outpost or base. Because they are ****ing everywhere. Why? So we can start shooting people within 70 hours of deciding to do so? Also, more than just the military, as in personal, is the hardware side of it. As good as the military industrial complex is for my state (CT), it's GOT TO STOP. We make **** here that the military doesn't even NEED anymore, but we lobby for it to keep going, because otherwise, it costs us a couple good, 30+ dollar an hour union jobs. And you can't piss off the union, if you want to get elected to another term. That is a problem. And the solution is to cut funding.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    So Barack Obama is going to weaken the American military. I am not surprised.

    I also doubt Obama has the cojones to send troops into Iran to overtake their nuclear and military installations in concert with Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    So Barack Obama is going to weaken the American military. I am not surprised.

    I also doubt Obama has the cojones to send troops into Iran to overtake their nuclear and military installations in concert with Israel.
    If Israel's gonna do it, of their own accord, on their own dime, why should we spend money on the issue? Seems to me, it's a win. It's about time some folks start taking care of business without the US either spending dollars, or lives, to crutch them up. They get an equal seat at the UN, do they not? Money ---->mouth.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    And the funding comes from?
    The tooth fairy.

    Let me guess. All these years, and all the roads and bridges you have crossed, you thought it all came from Jobs Jobs Jobs ?

    Pssst .... the roads and bridges that you will travel this week, and next, etc., are not what is holding back our economy. In fact, if you see government folks fixing something that doesn't really need to be fixed, then maybe you should look at it a little extra. And just think a spell about what you see.

    And we already dropped near a trillion down this rabbit hole not 3 years ago .................. remember ?

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The tooth fairy.
    In fact, if you see government folks fixing something that doesn't really need to be fixed, then maybe you should look at it a little extra.
    Liberals just want to waste money on infrastructure items.

    It's not like one of our bridges is going to collapse and fall into the river below.

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