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US military cutbacks

cpwill said:
Every guy or gal getting out of the Marines had to go to what's called SEPS and TAPS training - basically two weeks of "how to fill out resume's" "what your VA benefits are", etc. One of the lessons they pound home to everyone is "you rate 6 months of unemployment benefits even if you intend to go to school on the GI Bill, so make sure you apply". And so, most do. "Veterans Unemployment" numbers are thus wildly inflated by that initial application.
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This is a true story.
 
cpwill said:
Every guy or gal getting out of the Marines had to go to what's called SEPS and TAPS training - basically two weeks of "how to fill out resume's" "what your VA benefits are", etc. One of the lessons they pound home to everyone is "you rate 6 months of unemployment benefits even if you intend to go to school on the GI Bill, so make sure you apply". And so, most do. "Veterans Unemployment" numbers are thus wildly inflated by that initial application.
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GREAT POINT! Wish I woulda thought of it lol. I didn't even know the 6 month rule though. I'm still active so I don't know every benefit I should though. Wish I could give you two likes for this one.
 
apdst said:
Like a tax credit is going to cause new hiring. Companies aren't going to spend 50 grand, just to get a $3,000 tax credit.

That's nothing more than a political hat trick to ake people think that you give a ****.
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But....but.....if we cut their taxes then there will be more jobs...right? High taxes are stifling job hires I believe is a common mantra from your side. Here's tax credits for every veteran they hire, it's a tax break. But this tax break won't produce jobs?
 
MarineTpartier said:
I'm not one of the guys you are talking about whose job skills translate directly. I am a ground pounder. Guess what I'm doing when I get out? Going to college with an awesome GI Bill. If a kid is too stupid to take advantage, he needs to struggle until he figures it out.
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OMG....SOCIALISM! hahahahah. So you're going to college on the government's dime. But the government's dime can't be handed out to others?
 
Ikari said:
But....but.....if we cut their taxes then there will be more jobs...right? High taxes are stifling job hires I believe is a common mantra from your side. Here's tax credits for every veteran they hire, it's a tax break. But this tax break won't produce jobs?
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But...but...but...this is a tax credit, not a tax cut. Please, learn the difference.

No one--with a half a brain--is going to spend $50,000 just so they can get a $3,000 tax credit, next year; unless th actually need that employee.
 
Ikari said:
OMG....SOCIALISM! hahahahah. So you're going to college on the government's dime. But the government's dime can't be handed out to others?
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Sorry bro, nice try at baiting me. I think a 22 year old kid, that sacrificed his college years defending your freedom, and pays into the program by the way, deserves that. That's called earning it. Avoiding a job and protesting people that do have them is not.
 
apdst said:
But...but...but...this is a tax credit, not a tax cut. Please, learn the difference.

No one--with a half a brain--is going to spend $50,000 just so they can get a $3,000 tax credit, next year; unless th actually need that employee.
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No tax cuts, tax credits, or ANYTHING, is going to make an employer hire folks they don't need. With that in mind, why reduce taxes on the wealthy at all?
 
Ikari said:
OMG....SOCIALISM! hahahahah. So you're going to college on the government's dime. But the government's dime can't be handed out to others?
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Maybe you should get a sign, go down to the next Obamaville that the occutards put up in your region, and protest for free stuff.
 
The GI Bill is remuneration. Part of an employee's compensation package. As such, I don't view employer tax breaks for vets like Affirmative Action, but rather a continuance of said remuneration.

I did not claim unemployment when I got out. Part of that was because I savde a crap ton of money up before I punched, so I didn't think I'd need it, and part of it was that I was really, really depressed for a couple months when I got out. I simply didn't feel like doing the paperwork. Or leaving the apartment, for that matter. If I had it to do over again, I would have filed the claim.
 
KevinKohler said:
No tax cuts, tax credits, or ANYTHING, is going to make an employer hire folks they don't need. With that in mind, why reduce taxes on the wealthy at all?
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I never said we should lower the tax rate. I've said numerous times that we should leave it alone, so as to create confidence and stability in the private sector.

Coporations have no choice but to keep large cash reserves on hand, because they don't know what new fees and taxes Obamacare is bringing with it.
 
Catawba said:
"Meat cleaver".........LOL! We will still be spending 3 times whats needed to meet the Constitutional requirement for National Defense, after the so-called cuts. It makes sense to cut our most wasteful spending first, but this is not nearly enough. Ron Paul has it right on National Defense.
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Please explain what you are talking about. What does “3 times whats needed to meet the Constitutional requirement for National Defense” even mean? Source?
 
Blue_State said:
You are lying to yourself if you call this a cut. It is a spending slow down. The defense budget with the propossed spending changes will still increase over the next decade.
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Like what Obama and the Democrats call cuts in government and social programs?
 
samsmart said:
But the reason why defense spending is being cut but social programs aren't is because defense spending is so bloated that it merits it. I mean congressmen funding jet engines that the Air Force doesn't want because their manufacture provides his district or state with jobs.

We need to cut military spending and force the Pentagon to be much more efficient in how it spends money. Because there's a lot of waste there.
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I agree there is a lot of wasteful spending by the military as well as every government agency that has been or ever will be created.

The problem is that we absolutely MUST have a strong military but all of the other government agencies and programs you adore aren’t required. You have your priorities backwards and if you have your way, you’ll destroy the US economy and make us too weak to defend ourselves and/or our allies.

These aren’t just slowdowns in military growth, these are massive reductions in our military capabilities.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Sorry bro, nice try at baiting me. I think a 22 year old kid, that sacrificed his college years defending your freedom, and pays into the program by the way, deserves that. That's called earning it. Avoiding a job and protesting people that do have them is not.
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But you wanted to be treated like everyone else. If so, then you make your own way through college like everyone else. Of course you're going to try to rationalize it away. People who recieve government handouts are rarely willing to give them up. And oft willing to try to argue why their handout is justified while others not. You're just part of the same group there.

You're welcome for your education, BTW.
 
apdst said:
But...but...but...this is a tax credit, not a tax cut. Please, learn the difference.

No one--with a half a brain--is going to spend $50,000 just so they can get a $3,000 tax credit, next year; unless th actually need that employee.
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Oh I see. A policy which reduces your tax burden is not a tax cut because you want to pretend that it's not equivalent in order to avoid the obvious breakdown of your side's base argument that tax cuts for business will lead to more jobs. Got it.
 
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Ikari said:
But you wanted to be treated like everyone else. If so, then you make your own way through college like everyone else. Of course you're going to try to rationalize it away. People who recieve government handouts are rarely willing to give them up. And oft willing to try to argue why their handout is justified while others not. You're just part of the same group there.

You're welcome for your education, BTW.
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The GI Bill is not a handout. It's remuneration. It is part of the compensation package, and it is earned

You're welcome for being able to sleep in your own bed, while several hundred thousand of your peers gave theirs up.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
The GI Bill is not a handout. It's remuneration. It is part of the compensation package, and it is earned

You're welcome for being able to sleep in your own bed, while several hundred thousand of your peers gave theirs up.
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Remuneration, eh? So they ain't getting paid the same as those not on the GI Bill eh? They don't get quite the same benefits, you know to make up for the additional pay they'll recieve by being given free education by the American taxpayer? No you say? It's not rumuneration you say? It's extra government handout in order to encourage people to join the military you say? Thought so.

No one's current service to the military, BTW, would have anything to do with me being able to sleep in my own bed. The only impact to my freedom and liberty I've had with our involvement in these undeclared, offensive, occupational wars was negative. Thanks for taking my money and my freedom.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
The GI Bill is not a handout. It's remuneration. It is part of the compensation package, and it is earned

You're welcome for being able to sleep in your own bed, while several hundred thousand of your peers gave theirs up.
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Its one of the perks for putting your life on the line for your country.A well deserved perks i might add.:2wave:
 
MarineTpartier said:
I hear it everyday, there's your proof.
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Just as I suspected. On the other hand:

"President Obama spoke to a group of U.S. servicemen and women and veterans at a military base in Langley, VA Thursday morning. The President said that supporting the men and women who risked their lives for this country is “not a Democratic responsibility, or a Republican responsibility, it is an American Responsibility.

The President was there to drum up support for his American Jobs Act, particularly the provision to give a tax credit to employers who hire a veteran and a bigger one if they hire a disabled veteran.

“When I proposed this to a joint session of Congress,” the President said, “members of Congress on both sides of the aisle stood up an applauded. When the Senate votes on this, we expect votes from both Democrats and Republicans,” he said to the cheering crowd.

Obama: Supporting Veterans is an American obligation - National economic policy | Examiner.com

"With the passage of H.R. 674, The VOW to Hire Heroes Act of 2011 by a unanimous vote, it seems like that perhaps Congress will continue to address the needs of the veteran community. The bill, championed for a long time by veterans’ groups such as Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and the Veterans of Foreign Wars-USA, was born from a combination of provisions from two other acts. Senator Patty Murray (D-WA), the Chair of the Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs, and her counterpart in the House, Representative Jeff Miller (R-FL) were both considering bills that would address the unemployment problem. The bills were combined and President Obama sweetened the deal by offering a tax credit for hiring a veteran, almost doubled if the veteran is disabled."

"This bill and its unanimous passing may be because Congress is compelled to help the veterans’ community. Or perhaps it is because of the relentless lobbying done on behalf of veterans by groups like IAVA and VFW."

What's in the Veteran's Jobs Bill? | veteranjournal.com
 
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Ikari said:
But you wanted to be treated like everyone else. If so, then you make your own way through college like everyone else. Of course you're going to try to rationalize it away. People who recieve government handouts are rarely willing to give them up. And oft willing to try to argue why their handout is justified while others not. You're just part of the same group there.

You're welcome for your education, BTW.
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Like I said, we pay into the GI Bill. It's not a handout. Just like an insurance policy or a retirement. I see nothing wrong with that.
You're welcome for your freedom, BTW.
 
Catawba said:
Just as I suspected. On the other hand:

"President Obama spoke to a group of U.S. servicemen and women and veterans at a military base in Langley, VA Thursday morning. The President said that supporting the men and women who risked their lives for this country is “not a Democratic responsibility, or a Republican responsibility, it is an American Responsibility.

The President was there to drum up support for his American Jobs Act, particularly the provision to give a tax credit to employers who hire a veteran and a bigger one if they hire a disabled veteran.

“When I proposed this to a joint session of Congress,” the President said, “members of Congress on both sides of the aisle stood up an applauded. When the Senate votes on this, we expect votes from both Democrats and Republicans,” he said to the cheering crowd.

Obama: Supporting Veterans is an American obligation - National economic policy | Examiner.com

"With the passage of H.R. 674, The VOW to Hire Heroes Act of 2011 by a unanimous vote, it seems like that perhaps Congress will continue to address the needs of the veteran community. The bill, championed for a long time by veterans’ groups such as Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and the Veterans of Foreign Wars-USA, was born from a combination of provisions from two other acts. Senator Patty Murray (D-WA), the Chair of the Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs, and her counterpart in the House, Representative Jeff Miller (R-FL) were both considering bills that would address the unemployment problem. The bills were combined and President Obama sweetened the deal by offering a tax credit for hiring a veteran, almost doubled if the veteran is disabled."

"This bill and its unanimous passing may be because Congress is compelled to help the veterans’ community. Or perhaps it is because of the relentless lobbying done on behalf of veterans by groups like IAVA and VFW."

What's in the Veteran's Jobs Bill? | veteranjournal.com
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Hate to tell you this, but, the IAVA and VFW are both organizations that make money off veterans dues. It is in their best interest to support all things veteran benefit. I'm not saying they are greedy and taking our money or anything like that. Both are honorable organizations. The fact of the matter is, it would be suicide for either group to come out against this proposal. Also, I never said ALL vets feel like I do. I'm sure there are some that don't.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Hate to tell you this, but, the IAVA and VFW are both organizations that make money off veterans dues. It is in their best interest to support all things veteran benefit. I'm not saying they are greedy and taking our money or anything like that. Both are honorable organizations. The fact of the matter is, it would be suicide for either group to come out against this proposal. Also, I never said ALL vets feel like I do. I'm sure there are some that don't.
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As documented, more Veterans support their benefits than oppose them.
 
Ikari said:
Oh I see. A policy which reduces your tax burden is not a tax cut because you want to pretend that it's not equivalent in order to avoid the obvious breakdown of your side's base argument that tax cuts for business will lead to more jobs. Got it.
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You still don't know the difference between cutting the tax rate and giving a tax credit?

Are you seriously suggesting that you would spend 50 grand just to save 3 grand on your taxes?

Can you possibly understand how that won't work?

Hell! Let's just hire a buncha people we don't have any need for, because payroll, by itself, reduces a corporation's tax burden. Whatcha' think?
 
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MarineTpartier said:
Like I said, we pay into the GI Bill. It's not a handout. Just like an insurance policy or a retirement. I see nothing wrong with that.
You're welcome for your freedom, BTW.
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Can I ask what percentage of his yearly income the average serviceman would pay into the GI bill? Also, if you do not consider the GI bill to be a handout because people pay "into it", what do you make of the social services that people pay into through sales taxes, excise taxes etc? Are they handouts?
 
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