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    Re: US military cutbacks

    When your military spending is more than that of the next ten countries in line, then even halving it still leaves you spending much more than your nearest potential threats.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    You are lying to yourself if you call this a cut. It is a spending slow down. The defense budget with the propossed spending changes will still increase over the next decade.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    I'm all for the cuts. Cut, cut, cut. I just find it ironic that liberals are so behind it when, in the same breath, they bemoan that any cuts in spending will hurt the economy and cost Americans jobs. Using the "greater than the next top 10 combined" argument seems disingenuous when insisting that other spending be measured as a % of GDP and military spending be measured in nominal dollars.

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    I agree with samsmart that it's smart to cut the Army and Marine Corps first. I'm no expert on military strategy but it seems to me that in the age when we can put a bomb in someone's office from a drone at 80,000 feet that there is no need to continue supporting an infrastructure designed for outdated warfare.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    I'm all for the cuts. Cut, cut, cut. I just find it ironic that liberals are so behind it when, in the same breath, they bemoan that any cuts in spending will hurt the economy and cost Americans jobs.
    Because the alternative is cuts in services that help everyday citizens. If there is a choice between guns and butter liberals come down on the side of butter.

    Using the "greater than the next top 10 combined" argument seems disingenuous when insisting that other spending be measured as a % of GDP and military spending be measured in nominal dollars.
    Other spending is internal and when the economy and GDP expand it's assumed more resources are needed. Military spending is how we compare outselves to other countries. Just because North Korea spends more as a % of their GDP in no way are they beating us or close to beating us in the arms race.
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    I hope it is done slowly because I don't think the economy would react well to a lot of soldiers suddenly looking for private sector work. We may cut military costs only to increase unemployment/welfare costs.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Because the alternative is cuts in services that help everyday citizens. If there is a choice between guns and butter liberals come down on the side of butter.
    This is an over-generalization. To say only non-military cuts would hurt everyday citizens is fallacious as it implies people who are employed in civilian defense or defense-dependent industries are not "everyday citizens". Let's not try to argue that the only wasteful spending in the federal budget comes from the military.

    Other spending is internal and when the economy and GDP expand it's assumed more resources are needed. Military spending is how we compare outselves to other countries. Just because North Korea spends more as a % of their GDP in no way are they beating us or close to beating us in the arms race.
    I understand the use of nominal dollars in terms of measuring military proficiency. The fallacy comes when using the figure to justify it as an out of control federal expenditure. Ideally, as your economy and GDP expands, internal spending should be reduced, is that not a core tenet in Keynesian economics?
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    I understand the cuts to Defense if we follow the next letter in the alphabet to E for Education.

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    This is an over-generalization. To say only non-military cuts would hurt everyday citizens is fallacious as it implies people who are employed in civilian defense or defense-dependent industries are not "everyday citizens". Let's not try to argue that the only wasteful spending in the federal budget comes from the military.
    I'm not arguing that military spending is wasteful. There's a long line of technologies that came from military spending and a lot of people employed by government spending. I think it's obvious to everybody there has to be large cuts...and Democrats think those large cuts should come in Defense not in other areas.
    I understand the use of nominal dollars in terms of measuring military proficiency. The fallacy comes when using the figure to justify it as an out of control federal expenditure.
    I guess that depends on what your strategic goals are. Are you building a military to take over the world therefore it needs to be exponentially stronger than any country on the planet? It's relavent to me because (and a lot of people seem to think this now) our military should be a defensive force and should not be the world police force. If that's the case...then our spending compared to other nations is relevant. Our military even reduced can easily meet any threat by any nation state in the world.

    Ideally, as your economy and GDP expands, internal spending should be reduced, is that not a core tenet in Keynesian economics?
    Sure, a short term boost in demand via government spending should be short term. Most of our government spending though is transfer payments and obligations promised to seniors. That's not something you can just cut because the economy rebounds.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "but...but...but...massive government spending will improve the economy!"
    It will! But instead of spending it on new ways to kill people, we can spend it on rebuilding America's crumbling infrastructure, developing new forms of fuel and improving human life here.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not even close to the cuts that are needed. We will still be spending as much as the next top 10 spending countries combined.

    Too bad we don't have a liberal candidate in the running for President.
    Actually we do have liberal candidates running for President its just that they are in third parties.

    On Topic: I don't think that the cuts are going to do as much damage as everyone is saying they are. At end of the day even with these cuts, the US still has the power to protect itself and its allies.
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