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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    OK back to topic, how do you propose to pay for continuing excessive military spending despite our ending two wars? Through taxes, debt or cutting benefits to seniors?
    Those are my only three choices?
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Those are my only three choices?
    That's the only ones that have been brought up by Congress to pay for it, what you got?
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Just a note to all this, tldr thread so I don't know if anyone pointed this out, but the budget isn't actually getting "cut" in an absolute sense, they're just increasing the budget at a slower rate than originally planned.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's the only ones that have been brought up by Congress to pay for it, what you got?
    So, I have to be confined to the choices of our lameduck Congress? If so, this debate is over because you remove my ability to respond as I would want to. We will continue this tomorrow, I have a 6 hour drive ahead of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So, I have to be confined to the choices of our lameduck Congress? If so, this debate is over because you remove my ability to respond as I would want to. We will continue this tomorrow, I have a 6 hour drive ahead of me.
    Be safe on the road and don't forget this part of my post, as I am not limiting you to Congress's proposals: "what you got?"
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Just a note to all this, tldr thread so I don't know if anyone pointed this out, but the budget isn't actually getting "cut" in an absolute sense, they're just increasing the budget at a slower rate than originally planned.
    um... that is actually not correct.





    note FY 2012 to FY 2013.

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Abolish TSA: 8.1 billion
    National Labor Relations Board: 2010 Budget: $287 Million
    Agricultural Marketing Service: 2010 Budget: 3.1 Million
    National Endowment of the Arts: 2010 Budget: $167.5 Million
    National Endowment for the Humanities: 2011 Budget: $161.3 million
    US Commission of Fine Arts: 2010: 1.2 Million
    Make gov't employees fly coach: 146 million
    Cut "sanding" beaches: 3 billion
    Follow Bowles-Simpson: 200 billion
    Cut Obamacare- 115 billion
    Abolish Dept of Energy- 26.5 billion
    Follow Paul Ryan recovery plan- 300 billion

    Total: 653.65 billion

    There you go, that meets the need with all cuts. This doens't even take into effect the corporate tax gained by abolishing the TSA and privatizing it. Just think, I did that with no inside knowledge and a lap top.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Abolish TSA: 8.1 billion
    National Labor Relations Board: 2010 Budget: $287 Million
    Agricultural Marketing Service: 2010 Budget: 3.1 Million
    National Endowment of the Arts: 2010 Budget: $167.5 Million
    National Endowment for the Humanities: 2011 Budget: $161.3 million
    US Commission of Fine Arts: 2010: 1.2 Million
    Make gov't employees fly coach: 146 million
    Cut "sanding" beaches: 3 billion
    Follow Bowles-Simpson: 200 billion
    Cut Obamacare- 115 billion
    Abolish Dept of Energy- 26.5 billion
    Follow Paul Ryan recovery plan- 300 billion

    Total: 653.65 billion

    There you go, that meets the need with all cuts. This doens't even take into effect the corporate tax gained by abolishing the TSA and privatizing it. Just think, I did that with no inside knowledge and a lap top.
    how about we take also away benefits for our wealthy by means-testing the entitlements before we take them away from veterans?

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Abolish TSA: 8.1 billion
    National Labor Relations Board: 2010 Budget: $287 Million
    Agricultural Marketing Service: 2010 Budget: 3.1 Million
    National Endowment of the Arts: 2010 Budget: $167.5 Million
    National Endowment for the Humanities: 2011 Budget: $161.3 million
    US Commission of Fine Arts: 2010: 1.2 Million
    Make gov't employees fly coach: 146 million
    Cut "sanding" beaches: 3 billion
    Follow Bowles-Simpson: 200 billion
    Cut Obamacare- 115 billion
    Abolish Dept of Energy- 26.5 billion
    Follow Paul Ryan recovery plan- 300 billion

    Total: 653.65 billion

    There you go, that meets the need with all cuts. This doens't even take into effect the corporate tax gained by abolishing the TSA and privatizing it. Just think, I did that with no inside knowledge and a lap top.
    Without going through every line, what is your basis for claiming that cutting ObamaCare would reduce the deficit? CBO says that repealing ObamaCare would INCREASE the deficit.

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    Re: US military cutbacks

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    Without going through every line, what is your basis for claiming that cutting ObamaCare would reduce the deficit? CBO says that repealing ObamaCare would INCREASE the deficit.
    Former CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin pointed out that the law appeared less costly in its first decade because it “front-loads revenues and backloads spending.” He explained further that “the taxes and fees [Obamacare] calls for began immediately in 2010, but its new subsidies are largely deferred until 2014. This contributes to the illusion that [Obamacare] reduces the deficit.” The true 10-year cost of Obamacare will be apparent only once CBO is able to score a full 10 years of both revenue and spending changes under the new law.
    “Mr. Speaker, I once again find myself compelled to vote against the annual budget resolution for a very simple reason: it makes government bigger.” ― Ron Paul
    Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty. – Thomas Jefferson

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