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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    What does that have anything to do with what I said?
    I was responding to your statement:

    It was a hypothetical that if we have a weak military we could be in the same predicament that Kuwait was.

    I was demonstrating to you that unlike Iran, who has not invaded anyone, we have invaded many. There is simply no need for us to spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined.

    There will be no solving the nations debt problem until that realization is made.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Has anyone discussed the US's use of contractors to replace soldiers and units that have been removed from the US arsanal. These are usually maintenance and security jobs. Contractors are more expensive than soldiers.

    Also, how many security agencies, public and private, do we have? 1800? Isn't that redundant?

    When they talk about shrinking the military, I think these are the areas we need to look at. At the same time, we have to avoid the military we had in the late 70s.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Can we cut the TSA before we cut the Military?
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Can we cut the TSA before we cut the Military?
    It’s mind boggling when you consider that the national debt has now surpassed our economy and the only thing the two parties can agree on is to cut a couple trillion in defense spending.

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Has anyone discussed the US's use of contractors to replace soldiers and units that have been removed from the US arsanal. These are usually maintenance and security jobs. Contractors are more expensive than soldiers.

    Also, how many security agencies, public and private, do we have? 1800? Isn't that redundant?

    When they talk about shrinking the military, I think these are the areas we need to look at. At the same time, we have to avoid the military we had in the late 70s.
    Contractors are, initially, more expensive. However, the money the gov't saves long term on healthcare, etc evens it out I believe. I have no data to back that, its just what I've heard in the contractor circles as I have looked into that sort of work vs reenlisting before. I will look around for data to back it up.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Contractors are, initially, more expensive. However, the money the gov't saves long term on healthcare, etc evens it out I believe. I have no data to back that, its just what I've heard in the contractor circles as I have looked into that sort of work vs reenlisting before. I will look around for data to back it up.
    Yes, but what is a contractor if not a mercenary? Sorry, I'd rather have actual, oath bound, US soldiers doing my killing, thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I was responding to your statement:




    I was demonstrating to you that unlike Iran, who has not invaded anyone, we have invaded many. There is simply no need for us to spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined.

    There will be no solving the nations debt problem until that realization is made.
    Who has Iran invaded was your response when I explained my use of Iraq and Kuwait as my example. What does that have to do with anything? We haven't invaded Iran, we are not at war with them, we have not engaged in any direct combat with them.
    Now, on to counter points vice nit picking posts. I have no issue with cutting military spending. I have already said this. I believe we, as gov't employees, can always be better stewards with taxpayer dollars. Cutting programs such as the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle are good moves that should be made. However, when the military only makes up 4.7% of the GDP, but that is the place we are double dipping, and (something no ones talking about) possibly triple dipping on in regards to the automatic cuts that go into place due to the super committee's failure, thats's bad policy. There are many places where cuts can be made other than the military. I actually like the fact that we are cutting some troops. It trims the fat and makes what we have left more elite, at least in the Marine Corps. I know the US Army has had a lot of problems with lower recruiting standards. The only issue I have is when we execute slash and burn style cuts that neuter us as a force. I used the example earlier of my unit not being able to afford gas to drive 10 miles nor the rounds to allow 90 Marines to shoot 35 rounds a piece. This could result in an international incident in the future due to lack of training.
    I will ask you this. Do you think we should shut down some of our embassies overseas or leave them in place?
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Yes, but what is a contractor if not a mercenary? Sorry, I'd rather have actual, oath bound, US soldiers doing my killing, thanks.
    I know, I agree with you. Just pointing out the fiscal benefits. I would rather a Marine or soldier too.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    I think the biggest issue with out military is that they need to work smarter, in a way, and not harder. I think they are moving towards that, and have been for years...but still have a ways to go. Again, I'll take good intel and a sniper over a regiment of troops with heavy guns, whirly birds, and so on and so forth, when it comes to what we might now call modern warfare. Which isn't really warfare. When most folks think of war, they think of large battle fields, with armies of people shooting at each other. Those days are over. Our wars are covert, or at least, they should be. Take how we got Osama. That's the new war. Intel, plan, and execute. Now, could we have acted as fast as we could on that intel without folks already stationed there? Probably not...but I think it's high time some of this burden gets passed on to the many other countries that have a seat at the UN. Let France do a little work. Let Britain. Let Germany. Who cares. I'm tired of it being us. It's not a point of pride, anymore. It's just work, that needs to be done, that people aren't sharing.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Oh, and to play devils advocate on the other argument about being the biggest, baddest mofo on the block, and not getting invaded, etc...


    Germany, Britain, France, Italy, China, Russia, Sweden, and Spain ALL spend FAR less on their military budget (that we know of) than we do, and none of them have been invaded in quite some time.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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