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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Remember? Saddam bum rushed Kuwait in 90? You should be more spun up on military events if you want to post in a military forum man. I shouldn't have to spell that out.
    After Kuwait was side drilling into Iraqi oil reserves and our then ambassador to Iraq essentially said that the US would have no opinion on Iraq trying to reassert its sovereignty.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The program that makes up 25% of total spending must be cut, but the programs that make up 67% of total spending must stay as is, or expanded. Got it.

    And people say we have a spending problem....
    You cut what is most wasteful - that is our excessive military spending over the last decade. SS has not added a dime to our debt, and Medicare's problem is the most expensive health care system on the planet. In order to fix that, we need to upgrade our health care system as every other industrialized country on the planet has done.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    OH MY GOD!!! I AM SAYING THAT WITHOUT A MILITARY, WE WOULD BE KUWAIT, GETTING BUM RUSHED BY A DICTATOR OR SOME OTHER WORLD SOCIOPATH!! I am having a hard time not throwing personal insults at you right now. Like that stupid little comment you added at the bottom of yours. Ungrateful people like you make me sick. Before I go into a Jack Nicholson "A Few Good Men" speech, I'll just stop.
    Probably just as well, as you bring nothing to the table to prove Iraq was a threat to the US, or even its neighbors post Persian Gulf War.

    The majority of post-9/11 Veterans say it was not worth it:

    "In a new Pew Research Center report on war and sacrifice, half of post-9/11 veterans said the Afghanistan war has been worth fighting. Only 44% felt that way about Iraq, and one-third said both wars were worth the costs."

    Survey: Veterans say Afghanistan, Iraq wars not worth it - CNN.com
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So your "offset" is that you're going to make others pay for your tuition, huh? I thought you wanted to be treated like everyone else.
    Which goes back to the original point that it isn't a required program. Tell yourself what you need to so you an be right though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You personally have had no impact on my freedom of speech. You may live in your delusions of grandeur, but it doesn't change reality. There is no State which threatens our sovereignty nor have we been invaded.
    No delusion my friend. No one threatens our sovereignty because people like me and others posting on herestand in there way. Brings me to the point of this thread. When you're the biggest kid on the block, sure people may try to challenge you, but no one is going to succeed. Thats the state we're in whether you want to believe it or not. There are many countries on this earth that would love to see our country burn to the ground. Unlike you, I appreciate that people before me, with me, and in the future defend us against that. You need a heavy dose of reality my friend. Not everything is as cushy as you would have us believe it is.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Probably just as well, as you bring nothing to the table to prove Iraq was a threat to the US, or even its neighbors post Persian Gulf War.

    The majority of post-9/11 Veterans say it was not worth it:

    "In a new Pew Research Center report on war and sacrifice, half of post-9/11 veterans said the Afghanistan war has been worth fighting. Only 44% felt that way about Iraq, and one-third said both wars were worth the costs."

    Survey: Veterans say Afghanistan, Iraq wars not worth it - CNN.com
    Dude, that wasn't even the point to begin with. I used Iraq as an example because it is a familiar place we all know. Iraq was a threat to Kuwait because the violated their border. That was the point. Not that they were a threat to us. It was a hypothetical that if we have a weak military we could be in the same predicament that Kuwait was. Was that drawn out enough for you? If not, I'm done trying to explain it.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Dude, that wasn't even the point to begin with. I used Iraq as an example because it is a familiar place we all know. Iraq was a threat to Kuwait because the violated their border. That was the point. Not that they were a threat to us. It was a hypothetical that if we have a weak military we could be in the same predicament that Kuwait was. Was that drawn out enough for you? If not, I'm done trying to explain it.
    Who has Iran invaded???
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Which goes back to the original point that it isn't a required program. Tell yourself what you need to so you an be right though.
    it isn't "required" but it requires that more people pay into it than use it in order to properly subsidize your education. If you were to be treated like everyone else, you'd be responsible for your own tuition like everyone else instead of pooling enough people's money together in order to give you the proper amount of money for you to go to college and invest in your own future.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    No delusion my friend. No one threatens our sovereignty because people like me and others posting on herestand in there way. Brings me to the point of this thread. When you're the biggest kid on the block, sure people may try to challenge you, but no one is going to succeed. Thats the state we're in whether you want to believe it or not. There are many countries on this earth that would love to see our country burn to the ground. Unlike you, I appreciate that people before me, with me, and in the future defend us against that. You need a heavy dose of reality my friend. Not everything is as cushy as you would have us believe it is.
    to various degrees, a proper military does provide a certain amount of deterrent. Yet you yourself being there does nothing for my freedom; nor have you fought for that at all. We could have a much smaller military, more concise and properly used, and still reap the same aggregate benefit for determent.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who has Iran invaded???
    What does that have anything to do with what I said?
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    it isn't "required" but it requires that more people pay into it than use it in order to properly subsidize your education. If you were to be treated like everyone else, you'd be responsible for your own tuition like everyone else instead of pooling enough people's money together in order to give you the proper amount of money for you to go to college and invest in your own future.
    As does Social Security, should we do away with that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    to various degrees, a proper military does provide a certain amount of deterrent. Yet you yourself being there does nothing for my freedom; nor have you fought for that at all. We could have a much smaller military, more concise and properly used, and still reap the same aggregate benefit for determent.
    Explain how I, and in turn the rest of the military, does nothing for your freedom. Explain how I haven't fought for it. Give me your vision for a "smaller, more concise and properly used" military. I'd like to hear your reasoning behind all of these views.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    As does Social Security, should we do away with that?
    In many regards yes. But you're talking about how you want to be treated like everyone else; yet seem more than willing to take other people's money to pay for your education because you feel entitled to it. It's not much different than other forms of government support. Same group.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Explain how I, and in turn the rest of the military, does nothing for your freedom. Explain how I haven't fought for it. Give me your vision for a "smaller, more concise and properly used" military. I'd like to hear your reasoning behind all of these views.
    When was the last time America was actually threatened? When was the last time my rights and liberties were on the line against a force other than the US government? My freedom was already secured by those whom came before you. Our aggressive, offensive, occupational wars do nothing positive for my freedoms; in fact it gives an excuse to government to act counter to it. A strong military which is used exclusively for defense instead of offense can provide the same aggregated effects that our overly used and aggressive military tactics secure for us now. In fact, it stands that it could possibly be even "safer" by not pissing off entire regions of the world and playing into their propaganda.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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