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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    OMG! That was a looooong time ago!
    It was only in AIT, as we had TOW missiles in the regular units by then.

    Try this on. I served for 3 1/2 years with Stanley McChrystal's oldest brother, Herbert III. Young skinny Lieutenant Stanley was stationed down the road fresh out of West Point. Met him a couple times in Herbert's office when he would come to visit. Herbert "Scott" made full bird. Little Stan did a smidgeon better.

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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Spending cuts between the world wars, created a scenario where our soldiers had to train with wooden rifles. So, spending cuts have damaged our readiness at times, too.
    Granted, but come on now. It's 2012. Do you really think we'd gut our military that much in today's volitile international climate? Training and readiness will not be ignored nor sacraficed during these spending cuts. DoD will adjust; they always do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Granted, but come on now. It's 2012. Do you really think we'd gut our military that much in today's volitile international climate? Training and readiness will not be ignored nor sacraficed during these spending cuts. DoD will adjust; they always do.
    Then, WW2 came along and nearly a haf million Americans were killed. Some of those casualties were caused by a lack of experience.

    It's not the quality of the training that I'm talking about, it's the quanity. Would you rather send soldiers into battle after they've had a few months of training, or a few years of training?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Yes, I have read it. I am a Vet and we take offense to it. Its like reverse Affirmative Action. I don't want preferential treatment. I want to be treated like everyone else. If I'm not competitive, don't hire me.
    You must have been devastated then when they passed the Veteran's benefits part of the Jobs Act?

    "WASHINGTON — Heralding a rare moment of bipartisan agreement, President Barack Obama signed into law Monday legislation aimed at helping unemployed veterans find work while putting more cash in the hands of companies with government contracts."

    Obama Jobs Bill: President Signs Bill To Help Unemployed Veterans
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You must have been devastated then when they passed the Veteran's benefits part of the Jobs Act?

    "WASHINGTON — Heralding a rare moment of bipartisan agreement, President Barack Obama signed into law Monday legislation aimed at helping unemployed veterans find work while putting more cash in the hands of companies with government contracts."

    Obama Jobs Bill: President Signs Bill To Help Unemployed Veterans
    It must piss you off, to find out that MTP represents a large majority of vets, who are perfectly able to make it in the world on their own and don't need a government crutch to get by.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You must have been devastated then when they passed the Veteran's benefits part of the Jobs Act?

    "WASHINGTON — Heralding a rare moment of bipartisan agreement, President Barack Obama signed into law Monday legislation aimed at helping unemployed veterans find work while putting more cash in the hands of companies with government contracts."

    Obama Jobs Bill: President Signs Bill To Help Unemployed Veterans
    I don't even understand the point trying to be made here? Is there one? Catawba, you do a good job debating by posting cartoons in the Political Cartoon Thread, and that's about it.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I don't even understand the point trying to be made here? Is there one? Catawba, you do a good job debating by posting cartoons in the Political Cartoon Thread, and that's about it.
    Probably that you hate vets, or you're a racist, or homophobe, or...something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It must piss you off, to find out that MTP represents a large majority of vets, who are perfectly able to make it in the world on their own and don't need a government crutch to get by.
    I am a vet who appreciates the crutch. I was an airborne linguist, and there isn't a lot of calling for that on the outside. My aircrew experience probably qualifies me as a flight attendant, and if my language skills were better (like, simultaneous translation capable, which I am not, you have no idea how hard that is) the DOJ is always looking for court translators. After a year and a half of searching, I finally found a job with 911/Dispatch. It turns out there is a little overlap in the skill sets, but not much. Either way, the hiring process started last August, and out of the 100+ people invited to the first round of testing, I was told that only four of us were hired. I think perhaps two of them failed their drug screens because I only saw my name and one other on the training schedule.

    This job represents a pay cut of over 50% of what I was making in the service. I might be back up to where I was in seven or eight years. Believe me, I am appreciative of every little incentive tossed to my employers to hire me.
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    Re: US military cutbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    I am a vet who appreciates the crutch. I was an airborne linguist, and there isn't a lot of calling for that on the outside. My aircrew experience probably qualifies me as a flight attendant, and if my language skills were better (like, simultaneous translation capable, which I am not, you have no idea how hard that is) the DOJ is always looking for court translators. After a year and a half of searching, I finally found a job with 911/Dispatch. It turns out there is a little overlap in the skill sets, but not much. Either way, the hiring process started last August, and out of the 100+ people invited to the first round of testing, I was told that only four of us were hired. I think perhaps two of them failed their drug screens because I only saw my name and one other on the training schedule.

    This job represents a pay cut of over 50% of what I was making in the service. I might be back up to where I was in seven or eight years. Believe me, I am appreciative of every little incentive tossed to my employers to hire me.
    I was in the infantry and that crosses over to the civilian world less than most other MOS's. Wanna know what I did? I got up off mass and got a job. I had to fake it for a while, but eventually, I got the hang of it and went from crawling, to walking, to running.

    If yo want, I canhook you up with a job out in Texas, in the oilfield, starting at 50 g's a year. A friend of mine just bought 10 winch trucks to move frac tanks with. I know he's going to hurting for drivers. If you want to PM your contact info to me, I can pass it along to him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
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    I appreciate the offer, but I just found a job. I do miss Texas, though...
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
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