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PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

Local paper today is all over this issue, they say that very few long term, or permanent jobs will be made.
Permanent jobs will likely take a major change in how we do business, not short term projects....
 
Local paper today is all over this issue, they say that very few long term, or permanent jobs will be made.
Permanent jobs will likely take a major change in how we do business, not short term projects....

So the local paper wants big long term projects, do they?

Did they offer up any ideas?
 
So the local paper wants big long term projects, do they?

Did they offer up any ideas?
Yes. Methane production, since there is enough bull**** from the right on this pipeline issue to fuel the state for 100 years :mrgreen:
 
Why don't you list these problems you claim are there and then we'll look at it.

The problem is pretty obvious. We're producing more nuclear waste than we can safely store or reprocess.
 
Oh, so the technology isn;t there yet? Still need oil?

Then what was your point on cars running on electricity? That it can be done?

Thats been true for generations.

That it is a feasible idea now or in the near future? Of course not.

The fact is that there are types who want all traditional sources of energy stopped or curtailed without having any alternatives in place. It seems they really do believe that a president with no business experience whatsoever, in fact no achievements to speak of at all, can solve the world's energy problems.

"You spend 16 trill and what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt".

Let's all sing along to Barrack Obama's campaign song!

The point is that we do have the ability to reduce our oil consumption by better than 50% using existing technology. It's a little expensive at the moment, but the price will come down with increased volume, and it will become more practical as we build the necessary infrastructure to support it. That has not been true for generations.

We could, of course, speed up adoption by offering bigger incentives and/or increasing gas taxes.

I'll ignore the strawman arguments and partisan hack nonsense that is the rest of your post.
 
The point is that we do have the ability to reduce our oil consumption by better than 50% using existing technology. It's a little expensive at the moment, but the price will come down with increased volume, and it will become more practical as we build the necessary infrastructure to support it. That has not been true for generations.

We could, of course, speed up adoption by offering bigger incentives and/or increasing gas taxes.

"Another day older and deeper in debt"!

LOL!
 
The problem is pretty obvious. We're producing more nuclear waste than we can safely store or reprocess.
no, we are not.....once nuclear power plants are no longer able to store their own spent fuel, they will lose their license to operate...
 
"Another day older and deeper in debt"!

LOL!

Not necessarily. It could be accomplished solely through a carbon tax or cap and trade program.

Or we could just bend over and take Canada's pipe, and feast on the goo from the ME and Hugo Chavez. :shrug:
 
So the local paper wants big long term projects, do they?

Did they offer up any ideas?
one very good idea, stop listening to the liars who are touting temporary jobs as any kind of fix for the mess we are in...
 
one very good idea, stop listening to the liars who are touting temporary jobs as any kind of fix for the mess we are in...

To stop jobs and to stop listening appeals to a great many folks these days. Those are their alternatives to progress and yet, surprisingly, they call themselves "Progressives".
 
You think that company can handle all of our nuclear waste?

Well if they cant then im sure some other enterprising business person will be willing to get paid millions of dollars to do it. But i think Energy Solutions can and is handeling a goodly portion of it.
 
Oh, so the technology isn;t there yet? Still need oil?

Then what was your point on cars running on electricity? That it can be done?

Thats been true for generations.

That it is a feasible idea now or in the near future? Of course not.

The fact is that there are types who want all traditional sources of energy stopped or curtailed without having any alternatives in place. It seems they really do believe that a president with no business experience whatsoever, in fact no achievements to speak of at all, can solve the world's energy problems.

"You spend 16 trill and what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt".

Let's all sing along to Barrack Obama's campaign song!

Im currently fine tuning my latest design for a perpetual motion generator. I should have it running some time in the 23rd century...
 
The problem is pretty obvious. We're producing more nuclear waste than we can safely store or reprocess.

And where is this nuclear waste you speak of?
 
Not necessarily. It could be accomplished solely through a carbon tax or cap and trade program.

Carbon tax? Is that like a carbon credit? People keep talking about the tax credits available to electric vehicles, yet the government has realized that they arent making as much money off these vehicles since they arent paying 42 cents per gallon of gas, in taxes. So what do they do? They slap a $100 registration fee on all electric vehicles! Its only going to go up from there!
 
one very good idea, stop listening to the liars who are touting temporary jobs as any kind of fix for the mess we are in...

So having NO job is better is better than having a temporary one? Ever hear of the CCC's? The main point of that program was to get people off their butts and make them productive. Even if it was only temporary. And it worked.
 
one very good idea, stop listening to the liars who are touting temporary jobs as any kind of fix for the mess we are in...

Just curious..........did you say the same when Obama and the Dems were touting temporary road jobs from the 800 billion dollar stimulus ??
 
Just curious..........did you say the same when Obama and the Dems were touting temporary road jobs from the 800 billion dollar stimulus ??

Dont forget all the jobs he created with the census! (all temporary)
 
Just curious..........did you say the same when Obama and the Dems were touting temporary road jobs from the 800 billion dollar stimulus ??
Road jobs are not temporary, there are always roads that needs repair...
 
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Road jobs are not temporary, there are always roads that needs repair...

Ahhhh, so the same company gets all road jobs in the U.S. ???

Is that what you are claiming ??

REALLY ????
 
Ahhhh, so the same company gets all road jobs in the U.S. ???

Is that what you are claiming ??

REALLY ????
so, this method you use of not reading, not responding relevantly, does it work for you? to most people you just sound like an idiot, one that doesn't drive. If you drive much, you will know that there are roads being repaired all the time alll over the place, and the backlog is huge. Especially where the weather contributes to road damage, like the midwest and northeast.

We need more workers, more factory jobs, more permanent jobs, that is intuitively clear to the most casual observer.
But don't expect it to happen overnight, at least til the GOP is in charge. Then every little "success" will be touted as a major contribution to progress while millions remain unemployed or underemployed.

Obama didn't do this, he inherited it. He didn't make much progress, but neither did congress. Some of what he did failed, but the failure would have happened even with the republicans who supported what was done.

If you are looking for brainpower capable of moving us forward, they do exist, but congress won't be able to see it.

The CCC got people off the streets, there wasn't much more to it than that. My father had first hand experience with it...
It created no permanent jobs and barely paid squat.
 
so, this method you use of not reading, not responding relevantly, does it work for you? to most people you just sound like an idiot, one that doesn't drive. If you drive much, you will know that there are roads being repaired all the time alll over the place, and the backlog is huge. Especially where the weather contributes to road damage, like the midwest and northeast.

We need more workers, more factory jobs, more permanent jobs, that is intuitively clear to the most casual observer.
But don't expect it to happen overnight, at least til the GOP is in charge. Then every little "success" will be touted as a major contribution to progress while millions remain unemployed or underemployed.

Obama didn't do this, he inherited it. He didn't make much progress, but neither did congress. Some of what he did failed, but the failure would have happened even with the republicans who supported what was done.

If you are looking for brainpower capable of moving us forward, they do exist, but congress won't be able to see it.

The CCC got people off the streets, there wasn't much more to it than that. My father had first hand experience with it...
It created no permanent jobs and barely paid squat.

You might follow your own advice rather than resorting to insults, but I guess if you have no facts, insults are your only recourse, right ??

I'll ask you again....... Does the same company do all road word in the country ?? Or maybe you think that workers jump from company to company. Company A has a week long job, so the workers do it. The next week, Company B has a week long jobs so all of Company A's workers go to Company B for the week. Is that how you think it works???

You obviously know very little about construction.

So without insults, gratuitous comments on what you "think" Republicans might do, and some reminiscing on a program from 80 years ago that you admit did little to help people, your post if a bit short on facts.

What is unemployment in the highway construction industry ???

What is the backlog of road construction projects ??

If you want to bloviate, continue with insults, but if you want to defend your position, actually present some facts.
 
Obama didn't do this, he inherited it. He didn't make much progress, but neither did congress. Some of what he did failed, but the failure would have happened even with the republicans who supported what was done.

You cant argue that since what Obama did failed, any other attempt from a different angle would have failed also. Obama failed because he is a failure pure and simple. He has tried to buy his way out of every problem he has been confronted with.

The CCC got people off the streets, there wasn't much more to it than that. My father had first hand experience with it...
It created no permanent jobs and barely paid squat.

It wasnt inteded to be permanent. Thats my point. I dont know what your big issue is with temporary jobs. Even temporary jobs are necessary. Of course we need more premanent jobs as well, but there will always be a need for temp jobs. The CCC is perfect example because they knew it was temp, they knew they wouldnt get paid a ton. Yet they still provided a necessary service, and they still made a difference.
 
We damned well should be building more nuclear in this country.
We can store the waste in your basement, right? :mrgreen:
We have places.
We do? Such as....?
EnergySolutions | Locations
You think that company can handle all of our nuclear waste?
Well if they cant then im sure some other enterprising business person will be willing to get paid millions of dollars to do it. But i think Energy Solutions can and is handeling a goodly portion of it.
I'd like everyone to note how the right (in this case) simply offers up nonsensical solutions that, when questioned, they can only offer up more nonsense. No specifics, just vague generalizations amounting to -- 'I guess'. Example:

"We can solve that problem."

"How?"
"I dunno... somebody will think of something." :lamo


So, my question is: Since the nuclear power industry has generated about 62,000 metric tons of spent nuclear fuel over the past 40 years,
a) just how much of that does Dpetty think that the Energy Solutions company is currently handling, and
b) where exactly does j-mac suggest we put the stuff (since he apparently is not going to volunteer his basement, but seems quite willing to volunteer the basements of others).

As a bonus question (for anyone), how long is nuclear waste deadly, and how long do you think the Energy Solutions company will be in business?
 
You might follow your own advice rather than resorting to insults, but I guess if you have no facts, insults are your only recourse, right ??

I'll ask you again....... Does the same company do all road word in the country ?? Or maybe you think that workers jump from company to company. Company A has a week long job, so the workers do it. The next week, Company B has a week long jobs so all of Company A's workers go to Company B for the week. Is that how you think it works???

You obviously know very little about construction.

So without insults, gratuitous comments on what you "think" Republicans might do, and some reminiscing on a program from 80 years ago that you admit did little to help people, your post if a bit short on facts.

What is unemployment in the highway construction industry ???

What is the backlog of road construction projects ??

If you want to bloviate, continue with insults, but if you want to defend your position, actually present some facts.

your post should have been directed at Gill, oh wait, that is YOU....your responses are insulting and devoid of content. Smart people have already put the liar label on those who want the pipeline even tho most of us don't.
IT is the same as the wind power project in central Utah a few years back....the electricity goes to california, the visual pollution goes to Utah, the jobs are temporary. Or the coal fired plant in Delta, Utah, the power goes to California, the pollution to Utah, but at least there are some long term jobs. The pipeline is a large project, but still short term. Highways, infrastructure in general, is always in need of repair. BTW, look up aging natural gas lines, sewer lines, electrical grid, bridges, etc.
IF you want to say I know nothing about construction, post your own resume first, then we can compare you to me.....
 
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