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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps you can use the quote where I chastised any source. [...]
    My apologies, it was Gill, not Grant. I stand corrected.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Do you have any idea how long it would take for a home solar station to fully charge an electric vehicle?? [...]
    Yes, it would take exactly as long as if you plugged the electric vehicle into a wall outlet (which is what a properly designed home solar station is -- a series of solar panels charging a bank of batteries which provide normal household current via an inverter).

    Why do you require explanation of the obvious?

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    [...] that will be obsolete within a few years.
    Such a claim is, quite simply, insane.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Those conditions weren't mentioned but is a $40,000 plus investment worth 20 miles a day? Taxis might be less.
    Many new cars cost $40,000. Are you under the impression that new cars which use gasoline (exclusively) are given away free?

    Taxi fare in Charlotte NC (picked out of the blue) is $2.50 per passenger plus $2.50 per mile plus $24.00/hr wait charge. Given 100 miles a week, plus wait time as errands are run, 6 trips per week, you're looking at $18,772 per year (more or less). Given the expected 8 year battery life of the Volt, and sans any other maintenance, you're looking at $40,000 -- heck, toss in tires and insurance and windshield washer fluid for $50,000 (Volt) vs $150,176 (taxi). Any more bright ideas?

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    If you never had to go more than a short distance from your home, then that would work just fine, but if thats the case you really have no reason to spend $40 to $60,000 on the car and charging system in the first place. But a scooter or something.
    How about a balloon? There is enough hot air in this thread to float several of them

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    My apologies, it was Gill, not Grant. I stand corrected.
    At least Dan gave a source, which is more than you've done. Baseless speculation sounds like the extent of your debating skills (or lack thereof).

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Yes, it would take exactly as long as if you plugged the electric vehicle into a wall outlet (which is what a properly designed home solar station is -- a series of solar panels charging a bank of batteries which provide normal household current via an inverter).

    Why do you require explanation of the obvious?


    Such a claim is, quite simply, insane.
    Come on Karl, life isnt quite as simple as you would like it to be. Not all of us can just go to the store and buy whatever we want without giving a second thought to how its made or what makes it work...

    Household current is usualy 120 volt single phase ac (alternating current). With an inverter a battey, which is DC (direct current) can provide 120 volts for a short period of time. With a panel of batteries you can extend that time depending on the amount of amps your drawing, but since the rate of discharge is higher than the rate of charge, its always a limited amount of time. So once you have charged your vehicle, those batteries are going to need to recharge before it can provide another charge. And thats gonna take a while. Even if your solar system is devoted entirely to your car, its gonna take a while to recharge your system. You can expect to get one charge a day out of them unless you have a pretty large bank of batteries. In case you havent checked, solar storage batteries run anywhere from $100 for the crap ones, to $800 for the better ones. Thats PER battery. No solar panel can provide the needed amps to supply a steady stream of household current.
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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    At least Dan gave a source, which is more than you've done. Baseless speculation sounds like the extent of your debating skills (or lack thereof).
    Dunno who Dan is, don't know what you're talking about. Excellent post

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Dunno who Dan is, don't know what you're talking about. Excellent post
    It was Dan's post that I criticized.

    Try and keep up.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    [...] once you have charged your vehicle, those batteries are going to need to recharge before it can provide another charge. And thats gonna take a while. [...]
    Again, the insistence on stating the obvious puzzles me. In a typical solar system, the batteries are charged during the day, and are discharged ('used') during the evening and night.

    In a typical Chevy Volt operation, the car is driven during the day, and recharged during the evening and night. A full charge would be in the neighborhood of 10kWh, or about 10 hours at about 9 amps (120 volts). That is within the capabilities of a smallish or moderate home solar installation ($10K and up).

    It may save you some time if you accept that I will make no claims that cannot be backed up with logic and/or facts, nor do I ramble on about things which I do not know. I rarely shoot from the hip, which is why I rarely have any trouble proving my point (or causing problems for those that do shoot from the hip).

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Other than some temporary construction jobs, there are no statements of fact that any of your -- or the CS Monitor's -- lip service support will actually come to fruition.
    What? So your crystal ball tells you so? Look, the low end is that it would create at least 30,000 sustainable jobs. But I have to give it to you. You have learned your Alinsky well. In fact with a few word changes you could be talking of exactly what happen with Obama's stimulus plan, and all the shovel ready jobs thing...pure projection with progressives.

    So far all we have is a PR campaign by the oil companies, which the right is swallowing hook, line, and sinker.
    Ha, is that all you got? The big bad oil companies are duping everyone? so predictable.

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