Thread: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

Originally Posted by Grant

Just the interest on the money owed China will soon be enough to pay for their military.

Perhaps it's time to "puncture the cocoon of denial".

Mark Steyn: Puncture the cocoon of denial | trillion, debt, government - Opinion - The Orange County Register

That is an awesome article. Thanks

Originally Posted by Grant

Does it?

Perhaps we should focus on the topic at hand rather than whether Dwight Eisenhower was a hippie commie or not.

Perhaps we should, but it was YOU who brought this up, via the ad hom attack on a group of people. It's like the guy who farts at the dinner table, then tries to blame the dog.

Originally Posted by danarhea

Perhaps we should, but it was YOU who brought this up, via the ad hom attack on a group of people. It's like the guy who farts at the dinner table, then tries to blame the dog.

I brought up the subject of Dwight Eisenhower? And now farts? Dinner tables? Dogs?

Why not stick to the topic rather than rambling all over the map?

Originally Posted by Grant

Just the interest on the money owed China will soon be enough to pay for their military.

Perhaps it's time to "puncture the cocoon of denial".

Mark Steyn: Puncture the cocoon of denial | trillion, debt, government - Opinion - The Orange County Register

Yeah, those clever Chinese are lending us money at near zero percent interest. Bastards.

Originally Posted by AdamT

Yeah, those clever Chinese are lending us money at near zero percent interest. Bastards.

What does it matter what the interest rate is if we are never able to pay back the principle? The reason they are charging so little interest is so that we will keep coming back and asking for more! Which we are about to do! You sound like the kind of person that activates every credit card offer they receive that is under 18% interest because its just such a great deal!

Originally Posted by danarhea

The term "clean coal" is an oxymoron. At the present time, it is nothing more than an advertising slogan that is part of a larger campaign, paid for by special interests.

An Op-Ed by a far left environmentalists.

Yep, convinced me...............

Originally Posted by Gill

Originally Posted by danarhea

The term "clean coal" is an oxymoron. At the present time, it is nothing more than an advertising slogan that is part of a larger campaign, paid for by special interests.

An Op-Ed by a far left environmentalists.

Yep, convinced me...............

I didn't see your ad hominem regarding an Op-Ed by a far right wingnut (Mark Steyn: Puncture the cocoon of denial | trillion, debt, government - Opinion - The Orange County Register)

However, logical fallacies aside, pretty much everyone that knows what "clean coal" is knows that it is an oxymoron, at least from a CO2 perspective. If you want to hang your debating hat on arguing against common knowledge, well, lotsa luck [shrug].

Originally Posted by Karl

I didn't see your ad hominem regarding an Op-Ed by a far right wingnut (Mark Steyn: Puncture the cocoon of denial | trillion, debt, government - Opinion - The Orange County Register)

However, logical fallacies aside, pretty much everyone that knows what "clean coal" is knows that it is an oxymoron, at least from a CO2 perspective. If you want to hang your debating hat on arguing against common knowledge, well, lotsa luck [shrug].

I didn't realize that I'm obligated to remark on every opinion or post in the thread.

Is CO2 poisonous ?? How many people have died from inhaling it ??

Originally Posted by Temporal

PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project - Business - CBC News


Canada is the #1 supplier of oil to the United States, and now Canadian oil projects are owned and operated by the Chinese. Gotta love the irony.

I think it's a serious error in judgment for the Canadian government to abandon its "51% Canadian" policy, seeing as how no North American nation owns any stake in the tar sands. I really feel that both the U.S. and Canada are being devoured by foreign interests.

1. Canadian oil projects have been owned by the Chinese for some time. The very project mentioned above has been 60% owned by the Chinese since 2009^[1].

2. Given that 60% ownership since 2009, your "51% Canadian" claim seems to be rather erroneous.

3. The headline above gives the impression that PetroChina has bought the entire kit and kaboodle. That is not the case -- the "project" that they bought is a small portion (6,400 km^{2 [1]}) of a much larger oil sands field (141,000 km^{2 [2]}).


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1. Athabasca Oil Sands Corp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. Athabasca oil sands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Karl

I didn't see your ad hominem regarding an Op-Ed by a far right wingnut (Mark Steyn: Puncture the cocoon of denial | trillion, debt, government - Opinion - The Orange County Register)

However, logical fallacies aside, pretty much everyone that knows what "clean coal" is knows that it is an oxymoron, at least from a CO2 perspective. If you want to hang your debating hat on arguing against common knowledge, well, lotsa luck [shrug].

Quite honestly, i don’t care how clean or dirty it is. I think we need to do whatever we have to do to ensure the future of our way of life for our children. Both environmentally and fiscally. Would i love to live in a world with zero pollution? Of course! Do i think we should be working toward that goal? Absolutely! But we need to be at the top of our game to reach it and the only way for us to do that is to have a stable, thriving economy where we are not in debt to anyone else. An economy where we are advancing, not declining. We are making slow progress right now, granted, but its not so fast that we are going to be living in a pollution free utopia any time soon. Until that day comes we need to use any and every source of energy we can get. Even electric cars need energy and that needs to come from somewhere.