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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    To be fair, there is some truth to what UtahBill is saying here. As a driver of our nations roads, there seems to be some stretches of roadway that are so bad that you can barely drive on them without incurring alignment damage. But, yet other stretches that it seems as soon as they are completed, they are milled again and redone.

    There is an enormous amount of this nations infrastructure that is in absolute emergency need of updating. Power, Sewer, Roads, Buildings, Bridges....etc...

    The point where there is conflict, and we should all be spitting mad at this is that monies that have been extracted from our taxes for these types of things has been effectively stolen into the general funds that were used for other social programs that have nothing to do with infrastructure, and more to do with endless buying of votes.

    Now we are in a pickle, and they want more.


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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    You cant argue that since what Obama did failed, any other attempt from a different angle would have failed also. Obama failed because he is a failure pure and simple. He has tried to buy his way out of every problem he has been confronted with.



    It wasnt inteded to be permanent. Thats my point. I dont know what your big issue is with temporary jobs. Even temporary jobs are necessary. Of course we need more premanent jobs as well, but there will always be a need for temp jobs. The CCC is perfect example because they knew it was temp, they knew they wouldnt get paid a ton. Yet they still provided a necessary service, and they still made a difference.
    we already have I HATE OBAMA threads, this one is not about that....
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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    your post should have been directed at Gill, oh wait, that is YOU....your responses are insulting and devoid of content. Smart people have already put the liar label on those who want the pipeline even tho most of us don't.
    IT is the same as the wind power project in central Utah a few years back....the electricity goes to california, the visual pollution goes to Utah, the jobs are temporary. Or the coal fired plant in Delta, Utah, the power goes to California, the pollution to Utah, but at least there are some long term jobs. The pipeline is a large project, but still short term. Highways, infrastructure in general, is always in need of repair. BTW, look up aging natural gas lines, sewer lines, electrical grid, bridges, etc.
    IF you want to say I know nothing about construction, post your own resume first, then we can compare you to me.....
    Really??? Perhaps you can point out where I called you an idiot. Feel free to quote.

    The rest of your post goes off on such an off-topic tangent, that I won't bother responding.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I'd like everyone to note how the right (in this case) simply offers up nonsensical solutions that, when questioned, they can only offer up more nonsense. No specifics, just vague generalizations amounting to -- 'I guess'. Example:

    "We can solve that problem."

    "How?"
    "I dunno... somebody will think of something."


    So, my question is: Since the nuclear power industry has generated about 62,000 metric tons of spent nuclear fuel over the past 40 years,
    a) just how much of that does Dpetty think that the Energy Solutions company is currently handling, and
    b) where exactly does j-mac suggest we put the stuff (since he apparently is not going to volunteer his basement, but seems quite willing to volunteer the basements of others).

    As a bonus question (for anyone), how long is nuclear waste deadly, and how long do you think the Energy Solutions company will be in business?
    I spent more than a few years in the nuclear industry....spent fuel is currently being stored locally, all over the place....
    but you would have to go to considerable effort for it to harm you. You would have to shoot all the gaurds, break into the right places, bypass all safety and security features, and then either dive to the bottom of a pool or break open some very sturdy casks....
    Not gonna happen....
    Low level waste is a non-issue, you get more radiation from natural sources than working around that stuff. Mid level is a bigger issue, it has to be processed to become low level where possible, but still doable...
    Energy Solutions processes and stores low level wastes in Utah, and it is a political hot button for those who know nothing about radiation and contamination isues. I am not aware of ES dealing with any spent fuel in the USA....
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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    So, my question is: Since the nuclear power industry has generated about 62,000 metric tons of spent nuclear fuel over the past 40 years,
    a) just how much of that does Dpetty think that the Energy Solutions company is currently handling, and
    b) where exactly does j-mac suggest we put the stuff (since he apparently is not going to volunteer his basement, but seems quite willing to volunteer the basements of others).

    As a bonus question (for anyone), how long is nuclear waste deadly, and how long do you think the Energy Solutions company will be in business?
    Your argument is rediculous. I never claimed that Energy solutions could handle ALL of the nuclear material, nor did i say that they were the only company out there that does (because they are not).

    I suppose a better question would be, if we CAN"T handle the spent nuclear material, where is it being stored improperly right now?? Who's basement is it currently in? The nuclear power industry is the only energy industry that takes care of its own waste.

    As far as nuclear waste being deadly, only 3 to 7% of the nuclear waste produced is of the level high enough to be considered lethal, and that accounts for about 8% of the volume of all nuclear waste. And as long as there is nuclear waste that needs disposal, there will be companies around to do it. Whether its energy solutions or not, i cant say because i cant see the future.

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/education/wast.htm

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill, replying to Karl View Post
    I spent more than a few years in the nuclear industry....spent fuel is currently being stored locally, all over the place....
    but you would have to go to considerable effort for it to harm you. You would have to shoot all the gaurds, break into the right places, bypass all safety and security features, and then either dive to the bottom of a pool or break open some very sturdy casks....
    Not gonna happen....
    Low level waste is a non-issue, you get more radiation from natural sources than working around that stuff. Mid level is a bigger issue, it has to be processed to become low level where possible, but still doable...
    Energy Solutions processes and stores low level wastes in Utah, and it is a political hot button for those who know nothing about radiation and contamination isues. I am not aware of ES dealing with any spent fuel in the USA....
    It is your contention that spent nuclear fuel is low level waste?

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Energy Solutions processes and stores low level wastes in Utah, and it is a political hot button for those who know nothing about radiation and contamination isues. I am not aware of ES dealing with any spent fuel in the USA....
    They do a lot more than just low level waste in Utah. But again, they are just ONE company providing these services.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Really??? Perhaps you can point out where I called you an idiot. Feel free to quote.

    The rest of your post goes off on such an off-topic tangent, that I won't bother responding.
    you won't bother becuase you can't....if you have any education, training, experience to give you credibility, say so. Until then, you are just a faint odor in the wind....

    Quoting statistics is fine, but explain them if you can. Spent fuel at 62,000 metric tons seems like a lot, but compare it to the amount of ash (spent coal) from coal fired plants and use volume as well as weight, and you get a bit more info. Spent nuclear fuel is considerably less volume than ash. Ash isn't being contained, or properly stored anywhere, but people don't seem to be afraid of it.
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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    you won't bother becuase you can't....if you have any education, training, experience to give you credibility, say so. Until then, you are just a faint odor in the wind....

    Quoting statistics is fine, but explain them if you can. Spent fuel at 62,000 metric tons seems like a lot, but compare it to the amount of ash (spent coal) from coal fired plants and use volume as well as weight, and you get a bit more info. Spent nuclear fuel is considerably less volume than ash. Ash isn't being contained, or properly stored anywhere, but people don't seem to be afraid of it.
    I won't because I won't. Feel free to bloviate about off topics all you want, but don't expect me to follow.

    You do fine when you discuss something you obviously know about like nuclear issues. My advice is to stay away from topics you obviously know nothing about because you look silly when you start making things up trying to score points.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty, in post #355 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl, in post #349, replying to Dpetty View Post
    [...] So, my question is: Since the nuclear power industry has generated about 62,000 metric tons of spent nuclear fuel over the past 40 years,
    a) just how much of that does Dpetty think that the Energy Solutions company is currently handling [...]

    As a bonus question (for anyone), how long is nuclear waste deadly, and how long do you think the Energy Solutions company will be in business?
    Your argument is rediculous. I never claimed that Energy solutions could handle ALL of the nuclear material, nor did i say that they were the only company out there that does (because they are not). [...]
    Ah. A strawman is presented in lieu of answers that are not known, despite the claims made. Shocking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty, in post #337, replying to AdamT View Post
    Well if they [Energy Solutions] cant [handle all of our nuclear waste] then im sure some other enterprising business person will be willing to get paid millions of dollars to do it. But i think Energy Solutions can and is handeling a goodly portion of it.

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