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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    one very good idea, stop listening to the liars who are touting temporary jobs as any kind of fix for the mess we are in...
    So having NO job is better is better than having a temporary one? Ever hear of the CCC's? The main point of that program was to get people off their butts and make them productive. Even if it was only temporary. And it worked.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    one very good idea, stop listening to the liars who are touting temporary jobs as any kind of fix for the mess we are in...
    Just curious..........did you say the same when Obama and the Dems were touting temporary road jobs from the 800 billion dollar stimulus ??

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

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    Just curious..........did you say the same when Obama and the Dems were touting temporary road jobs from the 800 billion dollar stimulus ??
    Dont forget all the jobs he created with the census! (all temporary)

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

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    Just curious..........did you say the same when Obama and the Dems were touting temporary road jobs from the 800 billion dollar stimulus ??
    Road jobs are not temporary, there are always roads that needs repair...
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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

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    Road jobs are not temporary, there are always roads that needs repair...
    Ahhhh, so the same company gets all road jobs in the U.S. ???

    Is that what you are claiming ??

    REALLY ????

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Ahhhh, so the same company gets all road jobs in the U.S. ???

    Is that what you are claiming ??

    REALLY ????
    so, this method you use of not reading, not responding relevantly, does it work for you? to most people you just sound like an idiot, one that doesn't drive. If you drive much, you will know that there are roads being repaired all the time alll over the place, and the backlog is huge. Especially where the weather contributes to road damage, like the midwest and northeast.

    We need more workers, more factory jobs, more permanent jobs, that is intuitively clear to the most casual observer.
    But don't expect it to happen overnight, at least til the GOP is in charge. Then every little "success" will be touted as a major contribution to progress while millions remain unemployed or underemployed.

    Obama didn't do this, he inherited it. He didn't make much progress, but neither did congress. Some of what he did failed, but the failure would have happened even with the republicans who supported what was done.

    If you are looking for brainpower capable of moving us forward, they do exist, but congress won't be able to see it.

    The CCC got people off the streets, there wasn't much more to it than that. My father had first hand experience with it...
    It created no permanent jobs and barely paid squat.
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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so, this method you use of not reading, not responding relevantly, does it work for you? to most people you just sound like an idiot, one that doesn't drive. If you drive much, you will know that there are roads being repaired all the time alll over the place, and the backlog is huge. Especially where the weather contributes to road damage, like the midwest and northeast.

    We need more workers, more factory jobs, more permanent jobs, that is intuitively clear to the most casual observer.
    But don't expect it to happen overnight, at least til the GOP is in charge. Then every little "success" will be touted as a major contribution to progress while millions remain unemployed or underemployed.

    Obama didn't do this, he inherited it. He didn't make much progress, but neither did congress. Some of what he did failed, but the failure would have happened even with the republicans who supported what was done.

    If you are looking for brainpower capable of moving us forward, they do exist, but congress won't be able to see it.

    The CCC got people off the streets, there wasn't much more to it than that. My father had first hand experience with it...
    It created no permanent jobs and barely paid squat.
    You might follow your own advice rather than resorting to insults, but I guess if you have no facts, insults are your only recourse, right ??

    I'll ask you again....... Does the same company do all road word in the country ?? Or maybe you think that workers jump from company to company. Company A has a week long job, so the workers do it. The next week, Company B has a week long jobs so all of Company A's workers go to Company B for the week. Is that how you think it works???

    You obviously know very little about construction.

    So without insults, gratuitous comments on what you "think" Republicans might do, and some reminiscing on a program from 80 years ago that you admit did little to help people, your post if a bit short on facts.

    What is unemployment in the highway construction industry ???

    What is the backlog of road construction projects ??

    If you want to bloviate, continue with insults, but if you want to defend your position, actually present some facts.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Obama didn't do this, he inherited it. He didn't make much progress, but neither did congress. Some of what he did failed, but the failure would have happened even with the republicans who supported what was done.
    You cant argue that since what Obama did failed, any other attempt from a different angle would have failed also. Obama failed because he is a failure pure and simple. He has tried to buy his way out of every problem he has been confronted with.

    The CCC got people off the streets, there wasn't much more to it than that. My father had first hand experience with it...
    It created no permanent jobs and barely paid squat.
    It wasnt inteded to be permanent. Thats my point. I dont know what your big issue is with temporary jobs. Even temporary jobs are necessary. Of course we need more premanent jobs as well, but there will always be a need for temp jobs. The CCC is perfect example because they knew it was temp, they knew they wouldnt get paid a ton. Yet they still provided a necessary service, and they still made a difference.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac, replying to AdamT View Post
    We damned well should be building more nuclear in this country.
    We can store the waste in your basement, right?
    We have places.
    We do? Such as....?
    EnergySolutions | Locations
    You think that company can handle all of our nuclear waste?
    Well if they cant then im sure some other enterprising business person will be willing to get paid millions of dollars to do it. But i think Energy Solutions can and is handeling a goodly portion of it.
    I'd like everyone to note how the right (in this case) simply offers up nonsensical solutions that, when questioned, they can only offer up more nonsense. No specifics, just vague generalizations amounting to -- 'I guess'. Example:

    "We can solve that problem."

    "How?"
    "I dunno... somebody will think of something."


    So, my question is: Since the nuclear power industry has generated about 62,000 metric tons of spent nuclear fuel over the past 40 years,
    a) just how much of that does Dpetty think that the Energy Solutions company is currently handling, and
    b) where exactly does j-mac suggest we put the stuff (since he apparently is not going to volunteer his basement, but seems quite willing to volunteer the basements of others).

    As a bonus question (for anyone), how long is nuclear waste deadly, and how long do you think the Energy Solutions company will be in business?

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You might follow your own advice rather than resorting to insults, but I guess if you have no facts, insults are your only recourse, right ??

    I'll ask you again....... Does the same company do all road word in the country ?? Or maybe you think that workers jump from company to company. Company A has a week long job, so the workers do it. The next week, Company B has a week long jobs so all of Company A's workers go to Company B for the week. Is that how you think it works???

    You obviously know very little about construction.

    So without insults, gratuitous comments on what you "think" Republicans might do, and some reminiscing on a program from 80 years ago that you admit did little to help people, your post if a bit short on facts.

    What is unemployment in the highway construction industry ???

    What is the backlog of road construction projects ??

    If you want to bloviate, continue with insults, but if you want to defend your position, actually present some facts.
    your post should have been directed at Gill, oh wait, that is YOU....your responses are insulting and devoid of content. Smart people have already put the liar label on those who want the pipeline even tho most of us don't.
    IT is the same as the wind power project in central Utah a few years back....the electricity goes to california, the visual pollution goes to Utah, the jobs are temporary. Or the coal fired plant in Delta, Utah, the power goes to California, the pollution to Utah, but at least there are some long term jobs. The pipeline is a large project, but still short term. Highways, infrastructure in general, is always in need of repair. BTW, look up aging natural gas lines, sewer lines, electrical grid, bridges, etc.
    IF you want to say I know nothing about construction, post your own resume first, then we can compare you to me.....
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