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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Aaahh, it's a Buffett conspiracy!!

    Aren't you going to talk about how Obama is screwing over the unions?

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Aaahh, it's a Buffett conspiracy!!

    Aren't you going to talk about how Obama is screwing over the unions?
    No, I'll leave that to you...

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

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    And we need more clean coal power plants.
    Clean Coal? What an oxymoron. There is no such thing in use today and no cost effective designs even on the drawing boards.
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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Oil is fungible. Put that in your serious pipe and fire it up
    Not according to your post #265...

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You might also ask what lies between the oil sands region and Canada's west coast. They call'em the Rocky Mountains for a reason; they're rocky, and they're mountains.
    And there is no way through them? The Trans Canada highway runs right through Calgary which is 160 miles to the south of Hardisty. Then right through the Rocky Mountains, going 430 miles west to the Salish Sea, and the Port Metro Vancouver, which is Canadas largest port. You are saying its easier for Canada to pipe their oil all the way through the continental united states so they can load it onto tankers there, versus going just over 500 miles to their own port city of Vancouver? That port is not currently set up to handle super tankers, but it does handle Panamax class vessels.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And the alternative is what, if they want to sell their oil to China? Build a canal to the middle of Canada?
    They are looking into building a pipeline to the Pacific coast.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Common sense used to tell people that the world was flat. You still buyin' that one?

    Ask your common sense why they are piping it all the way to the Gulf Coast to be refined? Why not refine it much closer to the Canadian border? Do we not have any refineries other than on the Texas Gulf Coast?

    Then ask your common sense how much supertanker traffic there is on Canada's west coast compared to the U.S. Gulf coast? Does Canada's west coast have offshore mooring points that allow supertankers -- ships that are much too large to enter a normal port -- to load/offload cargo?
    If you ever come up with any proof that the oil will be shipped overseas without being refined, please feel free to post it. Up to now, you've just posted your opinion which is worthless. There are dozens of refineries in the Houston area, but very few in the midwest.

    If they want to ship it overseas, they could simply build the pipeline to the Great Lakes.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You might also ask what lies between the oil sands region and Canada's west coast. They call'em the Rocky Mountains for a reason; they're rocky, and they're mountains.
    Regardless of how it gets there it appears Canada’s intention is to expand their export to Asia:

    “decision by the Obama administration underlines the importance of diversifying and expanding our markets, including the growing Asian market,”

    Canada Pledges to Sell Oil to Asia After Obama Rejects Keystone Pipeline - Bloomberg

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Then ask your common sense how much supertanker traffic there is on Canada's west coast compared to the U.S. Gulf coast? Does Canada's west coast have offshore mooring points that allow supertankers -- ships that are much too large to enter a normal port -- to load/offload cargo?
    Well, it appears Canada has already prepared plans to address this issue:

    Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipelines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill, replying to Karl View Post
    If you ever come up with any proof that the oil will be shipped overseas without being refined, please feel free to post it.
    Interesting challenge... you seem to be conceding that the oil will be refined here and then shipped overseas. Would you care to confirm that?

    In the meantime, if you ever come up with any proof that the oil will be consumed domestically, please feel free to post it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill, replying to Karl View Post
    Up to now, you've just posted your opinion which is worthless.
    Your opinion of my opinion is worthless. We can do this all day long if you like.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill, replying to Karl View Post
    There are dozens of refineries in the Houston area, but very few in the midwest.
    Kansas - three, total capacity 320,000 barrels per day (bpd).
    Indiana - two, total 425,000 bpd.
    Illinois - four, total 820,000 bpd.
    Oklahoma - six, total 505,000 bpd. See List of oil refineries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill, replying to Karl View Post
    If they want to ship it overseas, they could simply build the pipeline to the Great Lakes.
    Do a little research on supertankers and get back to us on that one.

    The Saint Lawrence Seaway and Great Lakes Waterway opened the Great Lakes to ocean-going vessels. The move to wider ocean-going container ships — which do not fit through the locks on these routes — has limited container shipping on the lakes. Most Great Lakes trade is of bulk material and bulk freighters of Seawaymax-size or less can move throughout the entire lakes and out to the Atlantic.

    Great Lakes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The term Seawaymax refers to vessels which are the maximum size that can fit through the canal locks of the St. Lawrence Seaway.[1] Seawaymax vessels are 740 feet in length, 78 feet wide, and have a draft of 26 feet and a height above the waterline of 116 ft.

    Seawaymax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The Panamax size tanker has a draft up to 39.5 feet. A Suezmax size tanker, 66 feet. These are far from the maximum oil tanker size. Compare that to the 26 feet that can fit into the Great Lakes thru the Seaway.

    Do you require education in any other areas?

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