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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    You picked your nose, and thats about it. Your magic electric car scenario is as imaginary as my shale oil is reality.
    Deflection, deflection, deflection. Since you've belatedly discovered that oil shale can contribute relatively little to our oil import problem, you spend a lot of time talking about things other than oil shale.

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    Repetative! Ugg. Shale oil is not a future invention.
    Ah. A welcome change from deflection -- a strawman

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    What im advocating for, is the unlimited use of the oil we need now to get our economy to where it can operate without gas being a cheif source of overhead [...]
    And you now realize that oil shale can contribute very little to that, right? You now realize that "drill here, drill now" and "drill, baby, drill" are populist mantras designed for morons, right? That what remaining oil we have is either extremely slow to extract (oil shale) or relatively small compared to our consumption rate, right? That the roughly 8 billion bbls of oil in ANWR would last for 400 days if we could pump it out as fast as we use it, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    [...] that we can make the advancements needed to get to the next stages of technology. Be it electric cars, or flying cars that run off trash and can travel through time.
    Hey. Mr. Fusion. Now you're talking

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    [...] We need oil NOW because thats the stage of technology our world runs on right now, [...]
    Too bad. We don't have it.

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    [....] by claiming otherwise does not make us any less dependent on it.
    And by claiming that we do have it -- as you originally did -- doesn't make it so.... although it serves to put a roadblock of ignorance in the path of alternatives.

    Here's a shocking idea -- instead of strip mining half a state in order to obtain 5% of our current oil consumption (one method of oil shale extraction), why not reduce the gasoline we consume by 10% by simply driving 10% less than we do now? Or getting 10% better gas mileage?
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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Not true. U.S. oil consumption has dropped since the recession began in 2007, but had increased every year before that except for additional brief drops during previous recessions.


    After checking the data, U.S. declines in consumption occurred in 2001 and then from 2005 to 2009. On a per capita basis, consumption declined between 1999 and 2002, and then from 2004 to 2009.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post


    After checking the data, U.S. declines in consumption occurred in 2001 and then from 2005 to 2009. On a per capita basis, consumption declined between 1999 and 2002, and then from 2004 to 2009.
    Which is exactly what I said.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Which is exactly what I said.
    No, this is what you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Not true. U.S. oil consumption has dropped since the recession began in 2007, but had increased every year before that except for additional brief drops during previous recessions.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    You have provided none, that I have seen (at least in textual form).

    You did provide a link to a Rand report which confirms my argument -- i.e., shale cannot be extracted at a rate anywhere close to being sufficient to eliminate imports, nor is available in sufficient quantity to supply us, in lieu of imports, for 1,000 years.

    So once again, it appears that understanding information is the problem on your side of the debating table.
    If I had claimed that shale oil would replace imports 100%, you would have a point. Since I didn't, you wasted time posting this.

    We are currently the third largest producer of oil in the world and shale will make sure our standing remains at or near the top. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see us move up since Saudi Arabia's fields are dwindling down.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    No, this is what you said:
    Which is exactly what your chart indicates.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Which is exactly what your chart indicates.
    No it does not! Oil consumption started to decline in 2004 (during the beginning of the housing bubble). On a per capita basis, oil consumption began to decline in 1999, only to following the recession of 2001.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    No it does not! Oil consumption started to decline in 2004 (during the beginning of the housing bubble). On a per capita basis, oil consumption began to decline in 1999, only to following the recession of 2001.
    Learn how to read a chart, then get back to me.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Learn how to read a chart, then get back to me.
    The hard data can be found here
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill, replying to Karl View Post
    [...] We are currently the third largest producer of oil in the world and shale will make sure our standing remains at or near the top. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see us move up since Saudi Arabia's fields are dwindling down.
    Even if your claims come to fruition, it will not mean that we have become anywhere even close to self-sufficient in crude oil, nor would it have any significant effect on oil prices -- both being the rallying cries of the right wing populist politicians trying to sell Drill Me Now to the public.

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