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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    I wonder what would have happened if JFK would have said in his moon speech that we had to suspend all airline use in order to achieve that....


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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I wonder what would have happened if JFK would have said in his moon speech that we had to suspend all airline use in order to achieve that....


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    I see your point, but I don't know that we have much of a choice unless it's party until the lights go out.










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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Approximately 615, @ $65.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Compared to what?

    So, you just say so and it is therefore truth? No, no, no. If FD is naive then so am I. If you want to change people's opinions the provide people with justification for what you know to be true and back it up with resources.
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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    I have always been in support or the HoC nationalising the oil sands in Alberta. We need to put a Crown Corp. in charge of them to benefit Canada the most. Harper, the amazing idiot he is, let this happen. I'm surprised he didn't step in like he did with Saskatchewan's Potash. He is letting billions that should be helping make Canada a more prosperous country slip away to a foreign power, again.

    So my American friends, it seems we are at a crossroads. We both to seem to have an idiot in charge of our countries working against what should be done to make our countries more prosperous.
    Yes, maybe that's what the world needs more of all right. More socialism.

    But it seems the Canadian voters rejected that idea.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    You are extremely wrong.

    I love to drive, aways have. Just an hour ago I returned from 11 hour round trip, much of it through the desert. Few things are more enjoyable and on days like today when I can get out of the office and drive through the desert alone I love my job. I love to drive fast. My wife and I have cars and a truck, motorcycles and scooters. If it burns oil we love it.

    The world is likely beyond peak oil. Oil sand development is an excellent indication that the world now consumes more oil than the earth can produce. Consumption is going to increase as China and India replace the US in demanding oil. There are a number of other indicators, but I assume you know all this and there's no sense in posting it.

    As much as I hate it, we no longer joyride on motorcycles. In fact, they are all for sale with the exception of one scooter. We have been trying to cut down on gasoline consumption in general. Not because our lower consumption is going to make a difference in the world but because we know that sooner rather than later we are all going to have to make major oil consumption sacrifices. Petroleum may sputter and fart a bit, but the price of oil is going to go up and up and up and so is damn near everything we use or consume from food to medicine to garbage bags to fertilizer to damn near anything you can name. At the present alternative fuel is not going to provide an option for any number of things petroleum related. You also seem to think that viable alternatives will be available before petroleum scarcity forces petroleum sky high. I'd be happy if you'd share a few timelines with us because I don't know about any favorable ones.

    You claim the FD is astoundingly naive but you fail to mention exactly how and, as important, why.

    Washington has no balls. That includes your beloved and worshipped conservatives in Congress. If Obama had balls, if Congress had balls, they would tell the nation the good times are gone. As much as I feckin hate to say it, they should drop the speed limit nationally. I hate that. Washington needs to have a frank discussion with the nation and explain that we can party on until until the lights go out or that we can conserve, seriously conserve, while we seriously work on alternative fuels. That's a plural, as in fuels. There is no one solution. "The clock is ticking and as there are variables beyond our control we don't really know how much time is left so it is better to sacrifice on the front end" - that kind of discussion. They need to have the kind of discussion that suggests people like commercial freight (shipping, rail, trucking and air) gets a price and/or tax break while the rest of us curtail our petroleum usage or pay much higher transportation taxes.

    Alternative energy is much more viable when we aren't talking about transportation. When you talk about "billions" the government is spending you haven't been specific as to which type of energy you are referring, for what purpose, and you neglected to give us any real comparisons. How do you know that FD is naive?
    Even if all Americans put away their cars, motorcycles, etc and all started riding bicycles like the Chinese once did, it would still not save the world. It would only mean America would be a third world country still trillions of dollars in debt and with everyone else using the oil Americans rejected.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Actually the capitalists ('banksters') are in charge; the idiots are merely the front men used to present a false facade of democracy.

    Since the modern capitalist is a multi-national, the fate of individual countries -- once the maximum return is extracted -- is irrelevant to them.
    The fate of many indivdual countries seems irreverent to its inhabitants. Many Europeans countries gave up much of their soviereignty to join the EU, people are turning on each other in the Middle East and threatening other nations, political unrest and instability in Asia and Africa continues and the United States has crippled its economy and its future with debt.

    It seems if we don't have problems we create them, just to keep things interesting.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Even if all Americans put away their cars, motorcycles, etc and all started riding bicycles like the Chinese once did, it would still not save the world. [...]
    Why are you trying to save the world, and what are you trying to save it from?

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Why are you trying to save the world, and what are you trying to save it from?
    Perhaps some remedial reading classes might be in order. Where did i say I was trying to save the world?

    However there are those who insist "saving the planet" and restricting energy sources is one of them.

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    Re: PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps some remedial reading classes might be in order. Where did i say I was trying to save the world? [...]
    Here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Even if all Americans put away their cars, motorcycles, etc and all started riding bicycles like the Chinese once did, it would still not save the world. [...]
    Since no one else in this thread has said that they want to eliminate motorized transportation in order to save the world, I thought it was your idea. Are you saying it was just a strawman?

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