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Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

Thunder said:
he can be impeached. that means he is not above the judgement of Congress.
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No, he is a czar, and doesn't answer to congress. Therefore, they can't touch him...Nice try though.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
No, he is a czar, and doesn't answer to congress. Therefore, they can't touch him...Nice try though.

j-mac
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lololol!!!!!

you are wrong. very, very wrong. he can be impeached by Congress. ALL Federal officers can be impeached by Congress.

this guy is not "above the law" or even "above Congress", as you and the FauxNews propagandists are arguing.
 
Thunder said:
lololol!!!!!

you are wrong. very, very wrong. he can be impeached by Congress. ALL Federal officers can be impeached by Congress.

this guy is not "above the law" or even "above Congress", as you and the FauxNews propagandists are arguing.
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Ok, I am done with you....You don't even know what the hell you are talking about...

Try again when you get a clue.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
No, he is a czar, and doesn't answer to congress. Therefore, they can't touch him...Nice try though.

j-mac
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I believe that the Law does provide that he/she can be Impeached. Any appointed Federal Civil Employee can be Impeached, if the Law does not already allow for them to be fired. However, as I have noted with links to the Progressive, the threshold for Impeachment and removal is 2/3rds of the Senate. It is therefore not ever seen as an oversight mechanism, but rather as nearer to a criminal prosecution. That it has only been even tried about two dozen times in our history makes it a pathetic excuse by the uninformed as an "oversight tool".

We are near to arguing with idiots here, and you know how that looks :roll:
 
j-mac said:
Ok, I am done with you....You don't even know what the hell you are talking about...

Try again when you get a clue.

j-mac
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this, from the guy who doesn't think directors of Federal agencies can be impeached.

lololol!!!!!

:lamo
 
jackalope said:
Yes, and I'm kind of surprised at that. Refusal to confirm anyone at all is a purely partisan position the GOP has taken. You usually don't stand up for stupid partisan maneuvers.
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<rolls eyes>

You really have the partisan goggles on for this one. Am not (stupidly) standing up for anything of the such.

No. Am looking at the whole picture and there is politics being played heartily on both sides of the aisle. Obama and crew have just played a large partisan maneuver which was brilliant, but sort of suspect he (Obama) will get overturned by the courts. Either way Obama is going to likely come out of this smelling like a rose. The structure of this new consumer bureau does have some genuinely questionable elements, but the partisan blind see nothing but "Our team versus Their team'.

This whole event/issue is a great example of just how ****ed up this country has become. And day by day it is only getting worse.
 
Cole said:
<rolls eyes>

You really have the partisan goggles on for this one. Am not (stupidly) standing up for anything of the such.

No. Am looking at the whole picture and there is politics being played heartily on both sides of the aisle. Obama and crew have just played a large partisan maneuver which was brilliant, but sort of suspect he (Obama) will get overturned by the courts. Either way Obama is going to likely come out of this smelling like a rose. The structure of this new consumer bureau does have some genuinely questionable elements, but the partisan blind see nothing but "Our team versus Their team'.

This whole event/issue is a great example of just how ****ed up this country has become. And day by day it is only getting worse.
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With regard to short term politics, it is a good move. But "brilliant" ....... it only gets traction to the extent that leading Republicans make it an election issue. There is so much on the plate already, the GOP would be as stupid to make this a premier issue, thus detracting from the more obvous, and resonating, Obama failures.

We are having fun with this here, but otherwise look for it to be back-burner. Obama may trot it out, but again, who will care ? It doesn't help anyone pay a bill.
 
Impeachment is not oversight. You know darn good and well what oversight is. You also know what the ability to control regulatory overreach is. This agency lacks that in many respects. There are good reasons to object to it.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Impeachment is not oversight. You know darn good and well what oversight is. You also know what the ability to control regulatory overreach is. This agency lacks that in many respects. There are good reasons to object to it.
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and the proper way to change that, is by passing legislation.

they can't pass legislation. so they have chosen a more weaselly route.
 
Hence, why so many are objecting to the agency. No agency should be created with regulatory freedom to place citizens under its rules without those rules being passed laws. Thats why oversight is needed for any agency created within the executive. As I said previously, I dont think Dodd/Frank has a leg to stand on, especially with Obama circumventing the wording of the actual law which states that the chairman must be confirmed. Not recess appointed but confirmed.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Hence, why so many are objecting to the agency. No agency should be created with regulatory freedom to place citizens under its rules without those rules being passed laws. Thats why oversight is needed for any agency created within the executive. As I said previously, I dont think Dodd/Frank has a leg to stand on, especially with Obama circumventing the wording of the actual law which states that the chairman must be confirmed. Not recess appointed but confirmed.
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evidence please.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Hence, why so many are objecting to the agency. No agency should be created with regulatory freedom to place citizens under its rules without those rules being passed laws. Thats why oversight is needed for any agency created within the executive. As I said previously, I dont think Dodd/Frank has a leg to stand on, especially with Obama circumventing the wording of the actual law which states that the chairman must be confirmed. Not recess appointed but confirmed.
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WTF are you talking about? Every agency promulgates rules. That's why we have the Administrative Procedures Act.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
With regard to short term politics, it is a good move. But "brilliant" ....... it only gets traction to the extent that leading Republicans make it an election issue. There is so much on the plate already, the GOP would be as stupid to make this a premier issue, thus detracting from the more obvous, and resonating, Obama failures.

We are having fun with this here, but otherwise look for it to be back-burner. Obama may trot it out, but again, who will care ? It doesn't help anyone pay a bill.
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When the agency is finally up and running it will help people pay their bills, by policing predatory lending. It's obvious why the GOP is so dead set against it. :roll:
 
AdamT said:
When the agency is finally up and running it will help people pay their bills, by policing predatory lending. It's obvious why the GOP is so dead set against it. :roll:
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LOL ...... like anything "Dodd-Frank" is going to help anyone pay a bill. They were the two political cronies most behind the housing bubble for chrissakes.

Can't make this **** up.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
LOL ...... like anything "Dodd-Frank" is going to help anyone pay a bill. They were the two political cronies most behind the housing bubble for chrissakes.

Can't make this **** up.
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You seem to make up a lot of useless ad hominem crap, that's for sure.
 
AdamT said:
You seem to make up a lot of useless ad hominem crap, that's for sure.
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Dodd-Frank are fair game. Look up Dodd and Countrywide. Frank and Fannie and his boyfriend, and "no" not his boyfriend's fannie.

This is frustrating.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Dodd-Frank are fair game. Look up Dodd and Countrywide. Frank and Fannie and his boyfriend, and "no" not his boyfriend's fannie.

This is frustrating.
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And now the pathetic homophobic prejudice. You're pissing away what little credibility you may have had.
 
AdamT said:
And now the pathetic homophobic prejudice. You're pissing away what little credibility you may have had.
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Why don't you just call me a racist while you are at it ? Kiss my ass, btw. My brother is as gay as a $3 bill. And I have loved him for over 50 years. I have forgotten more about the travails of being gay than you will ever learn.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Why don't you just call me a racist while you are at it ? Kiss my ass, btw. My brother is as gay as a $3 bill. And I have loved him for over 50 years. I have forgotten more about the travails of being gay than you will ever learn.
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The completely undisguised gay slur you posted above puts the lie to your claim. Or maybe you're just drunk or stoned?
 
Cole said:
<rolls eyes>

You really have the partisan goggles on for this one. Am not (stupidly) standing up for anything of the such.

No. Am looking at the whole picture and there is politics being played heartily on both sides of the aisle. Obama and crew have just played a large partisan maneuver which was brilliant, but sort of suspect he (Obama) will get overturned by the courts. Either way Obama is going to likely come out of this smelling like a rose. The structure of this new consumer bureau does have some genuinely questionable elements, but the partisan blind see nothing but "Our team versus Their team'.

This whole event/issue is a great example of just how ****ed up this country has become. And day by day it is only getting worse.
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Incorrect. What the GOP has done is try a partisan maneuver and Obama called them on it by asserting constitutional authority.

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I can't believe that you're calling an assertion of constitutional power a partisan maneuver ....



The GOP refusing - by way of a partisan block of votes - to confirm ANYONE to a legislatively authorized body is the epitome of a partisan maneuver.

And yes, you are saying that they had cause to, because they don't like the way the agency is set up.



What Obama is engaged in is a constitutional battle over authority. That is not a partisan maneuver. It's a maneuver, but it's not partisan.



Good heavens.
 
So, when does the GOP file the court challenge? I'm pretty interested in what will happen about the determination of whether the gimmick is a real recess or not.
 
Looks like the GOP may be bringing their tantrum to new heights:


There could be more recess appointments, if not in the coming days, then next month, when Congress is expected to recess over the Washington’s Birthday Day holiday. Some Senate Republicans, furious over the recess appointments, said they would retaliate by not approving any more Obama nominees. But since so many of Mr. Obama’s nominees have been held up anyway, the president may simply continue the precedent he established Wednesday, and use the break in February to appoint another batch of people, administration officials said.

More recess appointments to come? - The Washington Post
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They are SUCH a bunch of WATBs ....
 
jackalope said:
What Obama is engaged in is a constitutional battle over authority. That is not a partisan maneuver. It's a maneuver, but it's not partisan.
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It can be both, and it is.
 
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