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Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

Eighty Deuce said:
What you get from this folks is a further power grab by the Executive. An erosion of our system. What goes around comes around, and we are no better for it when its a further breakdown of our process.
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No, what we get from you is you consider one guy, a gavel, and 40 seconds in session. Puuuuuhlease.
 
TheNextEra said:
No, what we get from you is you consider one guy, a gavel, and 40 seconds in session. Puuuuuhlease.
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What I get is the process, established and honored by both sides, to include George Bush with Harry Reid just a few years ago, that at times mandates the Executive and the Legislative to have to work together. That lets a "gimmick" by one side to be nullified by a "gimmick" by the other, and compel the two sides to actually find a compromise.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
What I get is the process, established and honored by both sides, to include George Bush with Harry Reid just a few years ago, that at times mandates the Executive and the Legislative to have to work together. That lets a "gimmick" by one side to be nullified by a "gimmick" by the other, and compel the two sides to actually find a compromise.
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And what compromise is the other side (the GOP) willing to undertake besides an all out abolishing of the department that Obama is trying to appoint a director to? That's the problem, YOUR SIDE has already said it is NOT going to compromise or work together with Obama.
 
Folks, the actions by Senate Republicans, and the 3-day gavel, was within the rules and the process. Dodd Frank was passed by a Democrat super-majority in the summer of 2010. Then the voters chimed in in Nov 2010, did they not ? So the new political lay of the land has the power to do what it wants, within the rules, and at the behest of those who voted them in. What is valid in politics folks is all that the rules allow.
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Then change the bill via the legislative process. Problem solved right?
Further, when passed, Dodd Frank specifically states that the Director will be confirmed by the Senate. It does not say that it can be a Recess Appointment, if the President so chooses. It goes out of its way to state that the Director must be confirmed by the Senate.
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Who ever told you that is an idiot and lied to you...here's the language.

(a) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary is authorized to perform the functions of the Bureau under this subtitle until the Director of the Bureau is confirmed by the Senate in accordance with section 1011.

What is section 1011?

SEC. 1011. ESTABLISHMENT OF THE BUREAU OF CONSUMER FINANCIAL PROTECTION….

(b) DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—There is established the position of the Director, who shall serve as the head of the Bureau.
(2) APPOINTMENT.—Subject to paragraph (3), the Director shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate

You know...basically the same langauge in any bill that requires a confirmation.

What you get from this folks is a further power grab by the Executive. An erosion of our system. What goes around comes around, and we are no better for it when its a further breakdown of our process.
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Yes, by using a recess appointment to a legislatively created position. Such over reach! The Republic is in jeopardy! Maybe you guys can take the US on the brink of default again in order to revers this atrocity!
 
Yawn, This President has made less recess appointments than any other in modern history. It's just another attempt to discriminate against Obama because he is black.

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TheNextEra said:
And what compromise is the other side (the GOP) willing to undertake besides an all out abolishing of the department that Obama is trying to appoint a director to? That's the problem, YOUR SIDE has already said it is NOT going to compromise or work together with Obama.
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It has been linked many times. Again, you should read. The GOP was in no way calling for the abolishment of the Department. It was actually the GOP that was calling for more oversight, and less power concentrated in only one person. This guy is now a czar, outside of the oversight of our elected Reps. Non-transparent.

For folks who think that Government is the problem, it just got worse. We just gave government more power, with less oversight, and we are supposed to trust this why ? Because government can be trusted ? The same people who say that government croneyism is the problem just empowered more croneyism. :roll:
 
iguanaman said:
Yawn, This President has made less recess appointments than any other in modern history. It's just another attempt to discriminate against Obama because he is black.
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They aren't discriminating because he is black, they are doing this because they don't like his decisions.

Not saying what the Republicans did was right (it was wrong), but it wasn't racial discrimination in anyway.
 
iguanaman said:
Yawn, This President has made less recess appointments than any other in modern history. It's just another attempt to discriminate against Obama because he is black.

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Your graph is already posted twice in the thread, for those who read. Obama is the only President above to have served with a super-majority Senate. That is why the lack of a need for Recess Appointments.
 
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ARealConservative said:
never said this was a power grab.

What Obama did is not a right, it is a power. He has the power to do recess appointments, and the senate has the power to throw them out when they reconvene.

That is why it is ok in what he did. The nonsense about extreme circumstances is idiotic though. They rightly have the power to reject his choices, no sense crying about it.
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The Senate has the power to throw out recess appointments? Where do they derive this power from?
 
TheNextEra said:
They aren't discriminating because he is black, they are doing this because they don't like his decisions.

Not saying what the Republicans did was right (it was wrong), but it wasn't racial discrimination in anyway.
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How do you know it isn't racial? It is definietly discrimination to deny him the right to do what al others have done before him.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Your graph is already posted twice in the thread, for those who read. Obama is the only President above to have served with a super-majority Senate. That is why the lack of a need for Recess Appointments.
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Huh? 2 weeks with a super majority makes the difference? What utter nonsense.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Your graph is already posted twice in the thread, for those who read. Obama is the only President above to have served with a super-majority Senate. That is why the lack of a need for Recess Appointments.
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Obama is also the only President to serve when the minority party has filibustered virtually every major bill and appointment, which destroys your argument.

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iguanaman said:
How do you know it isn't racial? It is definietly discrimination to deny him the right to do what al others have done before him.
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Do you have proof it was racial? Did you get a recording of the GOP in session going "we ain't gonna let this n***er pass anything."?

If not, you have no proof of discrimination. Face facts and take a look at all the GOP candidates. None of this was racial in anyway.

There are more things to ding the GOP on, but racial discrimination is not one of them.
 
TheNextEra said:
Do you have proof it was racial? Did you get a recording of the GOP in session going "we ain't gonna let this n***er pass anything."?

If not, you have no proof of discrimination. Face facts and take a look at all the GOP candidates. None of this was racial in anyway.

There are more things to ding the GOP on, but racial discrimination is not one of them.
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Have you looked at the current GOP candidates?. All lily white men. Your point is?
 
AdamT said:
Obama is also the only President to serve when the minority party has filibustered virtually every major bill and appointment, which destroys your argument.

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Again, do you not understand the effect of a super-majority in the Senate ?
 
iguanaman said:
Have you looked at the current GOP candidates?. All lily white men. Your point is?
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so because they are white, that makes them automatically racist? Are you kidding me?
 
TheNextEra said:
so because they are white, that makes them automatically racist? Are you kidding me?
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I said what Congress is doing is discriminating against the current President by trying to deny him the same rights as other WHITE Presidents before him. You say it isn't because of his race anf I disagree.
Why are you so sure the reason isn't racist? What other reason can you give for his "special" treatment?
 
iguanaman said:
What other reason can you give for his "special" treatment?
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Because they don't like his policy and don't want a director in there, they want a board. So therefore they are going to do everything they can to prevent it, including stupid parlor tricks.

There is a SANE and LOGICAL reason that has nothing to do with racial discrimination. Now, I may not agree with the GOP doing this, but it isn't racial.
 
iguanaman said:
I said what Congress is doing is discriminating against the current President by trying to deny him the same rights as other WHITE Presidents before him. You say it isn't because of his race anf I disagree.
Why are you so sure the reason isn't racist? What other reason can you give for his "special" treatment?
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I would like to point out....the last time we had a Congress this Conservative with a Liberal President they impeached him. Just sayin, if anything the Conservatives in this country have went from respectable to batshi* crazy. I don't think it's race.
 
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Thunder said:
The GOP would oppose any & all appointments to this position, cause they are all cranky about the agency being created. With those kinds of games going on, Obama has every right to do what he did.The democratic way to oppose a new agency, is to vote it out of existence or defund it. But if you don't have the votes to do that, then your **** out of luck.
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Believe the jury is still out on that one. Am guessing it will be the courts who decide if Obama has such rights.....
 
TheNextEra said:
Because they don't like his policy and don't want a director in there, they want a board. So therefore they are going to do everything they can to prevent it, including stupid parlor tricks.

There is a SANE and LOGICAL reason that has nothing to do with racial discrimination. Now, I may not agree with the GOP doing this, but it isn't racial.
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I'm pretty sure that other Presidents have made appointments the opposition didn't like. My point is that they think they can get away with these "parlor tricks" because in their eyes, Obama is not white enough to be President. It is part of a pattern that has been going on since his 1st State of the Union address. I am sick of it and someone needs to call them on it.
 
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