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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    He is a very ugly man. He is a tyrant. He must be defeated.
    There are many ways to describe the President, but if you're bringing his looks into it and think he's "very ugly" you're just being an ass.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    It turns out that the action not only contradicts long-standing practice, but also the view of the administration itself. In 2010, Deputy Solicitor General Neal Katyal explained to the Supreme Court the Obama administration’s view that recess appointments are only permissible when Congress is in recess for more than three days.
    Unprecedented

    Obama needs to go because he's a dishonest, arrogant SOB.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Okay, this is a fair point, but as long as we are making idealized changes to the constitution, why not prevent a filibuster in appointment votes? The problem is that right now there is no encouragement to work together. Both sides have been making a great show of polarizing government (note I do not say the people). I'd love to see a better fix!
    If filibustering wasn't so essential to preserving the rights of minorities I would easily agree with booting it out completely. As far as just for appointments goes...I would have to say no because it could possibly lead to getting rid of filibusters period.

    As far as fixing the way things are done in congress...there is no single answer that will do it. But I do know that the first step MUST be in who we vote into office. We need to stop this "voting for the lesser of evils" attitude that has plagued us for the last 20 years.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Good for Obama, it's about time he got some balls. Let the GOP fight him in an election year. Bring it on!!
    Let us hope the Republicans begin to defund the one term Marxist president Barack Hussein Obama's extra-Constitutional Czars, his office, his golf outings, his in-house entertainment evenings, and the organizations run by his "recess" appointments.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    There are many ways to describe the President, but if you're bringing his looks into it and think he's "very ugly" you're just being an ass.
    Just to be fair he may not have been thinking about his looks but in how he acts and thinks.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    They did. The GOP made it abundantly clear as to what the issues were. Do you even know ?

    But Obama wanted to play politics, using one political maneuver to bypass the system of advise and consent. So the Senate GOP used another maneuver, which even Obama himself had earlier supported. A maneuver that says "No, this is too important. No gimmicks. We have to negotiate this". And what does Obama do ? He ignores the process. Violates what he had already said needed to be honored.

    The country is worse for this. What a jackass you folks voted into office.
    My friend, you absolutely do not understand what's going on here. First, Republicans did everything possible to block the consumer protection agency from coming into existence. They filibustered the bill and still lost when the Democrats were able to muster a super majority. Not a regular majority -- a super majority. Fair enough, right?

    Wrong. Then Republicans opposed Obama's preferred candidate to run the agency and made it abundantly clear that they would never accept her. Did Obama recess appoint her? No! He said okay, and he chose another candidate who was approved by the bipartisan Senate committee. This nominee is widely regarded as a very good guy -- he has been recommended by a bipartisan group of states attorneys general -- and if Republicans have any complaint about his qualifications I have yet to hear it. They don't oppose the candidate, the oppose the agency that was already passed into law by a super majority vote. This is a blatant attempt to prevent the lawfully passed law from coming into effect and that is a clear abuse of their advise and consent authority.

    What you don't seem to get is that recess appointments are a time-honored tradition in Washington. Republicans are well aware of that, and so, in addition to everything mentioned above, they went ever FURTHER to obstruct the operation of government. They instituted a "pro forma" delegation to prevent the Senate from "technically" going into recess in order to prevent Obama from making recess appointments, as every other president has done. This is in essence a fraud where the Senate is actually in recess, but they keep a couple of guys around the capitol to do whatever ministerial things are necessary to prevent a technical recess under the rules.

    In short, after bending and stretching the rules beyond recognition to thwart President Obama, Republicans would have to have galactic, colossal brass balls to hypocritically complain about OBAMA playing fast and loose with the rules.

    I hope that makes it a little clearer.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    In Obama, we have a 100% inept narcistic POS.
    While I like your descriptive terms I prefer to call him the one term Marxist president Barack Hussein Obama. But POS is easier to type. Perhaps I can work it in.
    How does this look? One term Marxist president POS Barack Hussein Obama

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If filibustering wasn't so essential to preserving the rights of minorities I would easily agree with booting it out completely. As far as just for appointments goes...I would have to say no because it could possibly lead to getting rid of filibusters period.

    As far as fixing the way things are done in congress...there is no single answer that will do it. But I do know that the first step MUST be in who we vote into office. We need to stop this "voting for the lesser of evils" attitude that has plagued us for the last 20 years.
    Cordray was confirmed by a 53 majority vote if it were straight up and down, but because Republicans turn everything basically into a super-majority vote, he didn't pass.

    This is what's stupid.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote'there is no single answer that will do it.'

    Term limits might be the answer!

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Democrats have a majority in the Senate, yes; but because Republicans filibuster practically EVERYTHING, then Republicans have usurped control of the Senate.

    While it's within the rules, they've laid the groundrules (actually, they've expanded upon what Democrats did, but have taken it to even further extremes) that everything in the Senate must have 60 votes.
    Usurped:

    a : to seize and hold (as office, place, or powers) in possession by force or without right <usurp a throne>
    b : to take or make use of without right

    Well, what do you mean?
    It sounds as if they are withing the Senate rules. The division of power is intended. It slows things down. That is also intended.
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