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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    are you ****ing kidding me????

    the GOP in Congress has admitted to filibustering every God-damned bill proposed or supported by Obama, for the simple purpose of winning the 2012 election and you are complaining about Obama choosing politics????
    give me a break!!
    Wow, if this were the case then how is it that Obama was able to sign ALL of these bills?

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    That's 19 bills signed just in December 2011.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    They did. The GOP made it abundantly clear as to what the issues were. Do you even know ?

    But Obama wanted to play politics, using one political maneuver to bypass the system of advise and consent. So the Senate GOP used another maneuver, which even Obama himself had earlier supported. A maneuver that says "No, this is too important. No gimmicks. We have to negotiate this". And what does Obama do ? He ignores the process. Violates what he had already said needed to be honored.

    The country is worse for this. What a jackass you folks voted into office.
    Yes, they did not like his politics. Which is irelevant. There is a certain amount of power that comes from being president. Deal with it.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I agree with almost all of this. I still hold that recess appointments are a poor fix (at the very least because it's inadequate). Hell, I'd even be fine with the President making a ton of them for every empty seat ... as long as it's followed within 30-60 days by a bill trying to address the root cause.
    I think what I would go for was a rule that the senate has 30 days to reject a nominee, and if they do nothing, that is implied consent.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I think what I would go for was a rule that the senate has 30 days to reject a nominee, and if they do nothing, that is implied consent.
    Heck, I'd even take it a step further in that the president gets to appoint freely and they have 30-60 days (depending on timing) to veto it by vote. At least both have the power there.
    Omniscience just sucks without omnipotence!

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I think what I would go for was a rule that the senate has 30 days to reject a nominee, and if they do nothing, that is implied consent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Heck, I'd even take it a step further in that the president gets to appoint freely and they have 30-60 days (depending on timing) to veto it by vote. At least both have the power there.
    And in both cases all that it takes for the peoples voice to not be heard is a filibuster.

    How about we instead find a way to force these people to actually work together that will give neither side an advantage?
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Bullchit. Show me where Conservatives pulled this stunt with ignoring the 3-day gavel rule ?

    If you don't want to hear it, then put your hands over your ears for chrissakes. Otherwise, I cannot help it that you can't handle the truth.
    Honestly, it was a political ploy. Republicans will have to take Obama to court in order to prevent someone from protecting consumers from fraud and he knows it.

    Senate rules are set by the Senate. And are largely extra-Constitutional. The arguments against Obama's appointments are obvious, but carry an expensive political price. He's laying down the gauntlet and challenging Republicans to say, "We don't want consumer protections against loan fraud and predatory lending."

    The courts may side with Republicans, but that carries some potential damage. They've readily admitted that they don't dislike the guy. They just want to do whatever they can to prevent this organization for existing despite the fact that it is already encoded in law.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What the heck... The separation of powers!? The constitution gives the president the power to make recess appointments explicitly. That is an executive power. It is the senate trying to take over that power with this "never officially declare recess" scheme...
    The Senate wasn’t in recess.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Actually, that is the point. The GOP wanted more Congressional oversight, with it being run by a Board, rather than a single entity. In any case, it is a valid political concern. And the Congress followed the established procedure, one which Obama himself, and his DoJ, had earlier endorsed.

    I would hope that the GOP declares all actions by that Department as unconstitutional, not in accordance with the Law, and directs all US entities to not recognize actions by either agency. This is what happens when one skirts the Constitution. It is one more sign of hugely inept leadership by the inept moron in the WH.
    Let the Congress defund the organizations. That will take care of that.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There is no constitutional crisis here. Whether Obama waits 1 day, 3 days or 10 to appoint somebody makes absolutely no difference. Obama broke with tradition, get over it and if you don't like it, write it into the legal framework. Otherwise, much ado about nothing. From your article:



    In other words, Obama used the very ambiguity of the Constitution to his advantage.
    He is a very ugly man. He is a tyrant. He must be defeated.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And in both cases all that it takes for the peoples voice to not be heard is a filibuster.

    How about we instead find a way to force these people to actually work together that will give neither side an advantage?
    Okay, this is a fair point, but as long as we are making idealized changes to the constitution, why not prevent a filibuster in appointment votes? The problem is that right now there is no encouragement to work together. Both sides have been making a great show of polarizing government (note I do not say the people). I'd love to see a better fix!
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