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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Does anyone remember where Reid held nonsense sessions from 2007-2008 to prevent Bush's ability to make another recess appointment?
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    The GOP vs. the U.S. Constitution.

    Well, they've been trying to undo the 2008 elections for four years... Why not wipe their ass with explicit Presidential powers?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Or, not a republic at all, but a federation of republics. The states are the republics. The union is a federal compact among these republics.
    True. Thanks for the correction.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The GOP vs. the U.S. Constitution.

    Well, they've been trying to undo the 2008 elections for four years... Why not wipe their ass with explicit Presidential powers?
    sort of like what the dems did in 2000?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Does anyone remember where Reid held nonsense sessions from 2007-2008 to prevent Bush's ability to make another recess appointment?
    Yes. It was ridiculous.

    Recess appointments are a power specifically granted by the US constitution to the president. For congress to hold bull**** non-sessions with the specific intention of blocking recess appointments is a blatant attempt to circumvent the constitution and grab more power for themselves.

    Anyone thinking themselves a "strict constitutionalist" or whatever should be against this move by congress, regardless of whether or not the Democrats have previously used the same childish tactic.

    Nobody likes Harry Reid. He only got re-elected because the GOP ran a woman against him who is literally senile and paranoid. And he barely beat her.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The Senate has followed the proper protocols. Protocols that Obama's own Justice Department argued for. These protocols compel a President to act with the advice and consent of Congress. Such advice and consent Obama has shunned. Now Obama has taken a further unprecedented step to take power from the Legislative. The community organizer needs to be shown the door.
    This is a classic case of the White House figuring that Politics > Constitution.

    Harry Reid in particular looks like an idiot with his simpering about-face on this issue.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    In a way I guess, as it is a freedom argument of sorts, but beyond that, its not all that comparable. This is the government finding a problem and deciding a solution on it. The EPA, the FCC, and the CFPB does this everyday. Most of which aren't even problems to begin with, but that is a different subject.
    A freedom argument? That is a meaningless and hollow word all by itself. Please put some context to it. The freedom to do what exactly?
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes. It was ridiculous.

    Recess appointments are a power specifically granted by the US constitution to the president. For congress to hold bull**** non-sessions with the specific intention of blocking recess appointments is a blatant attempt to circumvent the constitution and grab more power for themselves.
    it is certainly a case of Congress refusing to grant the President an opportunity to legitimately pursue his power in a way that encroaches upon their own. However, your subjective description of it as a "BS Non-Session" is irrelevant. The Senate was legally in session - ergo, recess appointments are illegitimate. The President no more has the power to recess appointment today than he does on any given weekend when the Congress isn't meeting.

    Anyone thinking themselves a "strict constitutionalist" or whatever should be against this move, regardless of whether or not the Democrats have previously used the same childish tactic.
    appointment is important - frankly, I'd like some alteration of the rules wherein the Senate has a given time frame (say, 90 days in session) to hold an up-or-down vote, and then the appointment is considered to have gone through.

    But You Have To Follow The Law. That is what holding to the Constitution is all about, after all. If you don't like the law, change it. Until then, follow it.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The GOP vs. the U.S. Constitution.

    Well, they've been trying to undo the 2008 elections for four years... Why not wipe their ass with explicit Presidential powers?
    .... You DO realize that Harry Reid invented this tactic, in order to keep George Bush from making recess appointments??? That President Obama supported this when he was a Senator?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .... You DO realize that Harry Reid invented this tactic, in order to keep George Bush from making recess appointments??? That President Obama supported this when he was a Senator?

    Ofcourse he realizes that. Hazelnut's posting is akin to attempting to be the guy provoking emotional response. This is why he believes that the more outrageous he can be in his language, the more chance he has to show his own ass. Probably trying make up for a shortcoming in other places.

    But see, I don't see Obama as caring one little bit about what he is doing to the Constitution or anything else. This is a 'by any means necessary' kind of politician. Obama knows full well that by doing this he is trashing the Constitution, injecting uncertainty into business again, and purposely enraging his opposition. And he knows that the minute that his his little ass puppet Cordray makes one decision it'll be immediately challenged in court, and likely go nowhere until he does things the proper way.

    Obama tried to do this specifically to spark severe outrage, and deflect attention from his own record of failure in the election..In that respect, repubs may be doing this right by not paying much attention to it....I mean we are, but the pols sure don't seem to be.


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