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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nope, still wrong. Try again...


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    No, I was correct. You are located in the United States, right?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Did you miss the financial crisis? Great Recession ring any bells? Never read any of the hundreds of stories about people who were sold ARMs with balloon payments?
    So what? If they signed it and you can prove they were incompetent you should treated them as incompetent.

    Have you ever bought a house yourself?
    Yes.

    Do you think you understood the 30 or so pages of six-point legalese in the contract? I'll bet you didn't.
    Sure I do. I don't sign what I don't understand.

    That's no slam against you; almost no one does. But people buy houses every day and generally have to trust the bank or mortgage broker that there are no hidden surprises.

    Same goes for credit cards and all sorts of other transactions. I don't know about you, but every few months I get a "privacy statement" or something of the sort from a credit card company announcing changes to the terms of the credit card contract. Again, it's page after page of complex legalese that most people simply don't have the education to understand.
    If they sign what they don't understand no one is at fault but them. You don't sign what you don't understand, period.

    I doubt you would feel that way if YOU were the one being discriminated against. If that was the case I don't think you'd feel that the absence of discrimination laws made you free at all. In fact I think you'd feel kind of like a slave, or second class citizen.
    A slave for not being able to do business with whoever you please?


    I assure you that it's very necessary. In any transaction involving a giant financial institution and a typical consumer there is a huge imbalance of power and knowledge in favor of the financial institution. You want to hire a lawyer every time you buy a toaster?
    I don't need to hire a lawyer to understand a contract, thanks.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, I was correct. You are located in the United States, right?
    A Representative Republic.

    You know the difference between a republic and a democracy, yes?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nope, still wrong. Try again...


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    You don't get extra credit for being wrong repeatedly. You should give up now.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A Representative Republic.

    You know the difference between a republic and a democracy, yes?
    I know that a Republic is a form of representative democracy.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, I was correct. You are located in the United States, right?
    No, we are a Representitive Republic.

    But what is a republic and how is it different from a pure democracy?

    When Americans pledge allegiance to the “flag of the United States of America,” they uphold “the republic for which it stands.” Unlike a democracy in which the citizens themselves pass laws, in a republic such as ours, citizens rule through the representatives they elect.

    The Framers founded a republic because they recognized that mob rule could be just as great a threat to liberty as the rule of a king. Representation, Madison explains in Federalists 63, is “sometimes necessary as a defense to the people against their own temporary errors and delusions.” America’s constitutional framework thereby seeks to protect the people from the dangers of unchecked popular democracy. The people’s representatives, of course, remain ultimately accountable to the people who can vote them out of office as they see fit.

    In everyday speech, people praise democracy as the most just form of government. What they mean by “democracy” is a regime in which free elections regularly take place and a government that protects the rights of all.

    Is America a Democracy or a Republic?
    Now I realize that libs like yourself and the OWS crowd are trying to turn this country into a pure democracy, but keep in mind that is not what we are, nor what the founders envisioned.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I know that a Republic is a form of representative democracy.
    No, a democracy pits your interests against mine to see who wins. A republic just protects the rights and liberties of people and treats all peoples interests as equal.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A Representative Republic.

    You know the difference between a republic and a democracy, yes?
    To be specific, we are a constitutionally limited democratic republic. In fact the first political party which is now simply the Democratic party was called the Democratic Republicans - we are both a Democracy and a Republic.


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    To be specific, we are a constitutionally limited democratic republic. In fact the first political party which is now simply the Democratic party was called the Democratic Republicans - we are both a Democracy and a Republic.
    Or, not a republic at all, but a federation of republics. The states are the republics. The union is a federal compact among these republics.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The Senate has followed the proper protocols. Protocols that Obama's own Justice Department argued for. These protocols compel a President to act with the advice and consent of Congress. Such advice and consent Obama has shunned. Now Obama has taken a further unprecedented step to take power from the Legislative. The community organizer needs to be shown the door.
    Were you this outraged way back when??

    Bush Names Bolton U.N. Ambassador in Recess Appointment


    The obstructionists in the GOP have been stalling on filling a position that was created TWO YEARS AGO.

    and the Foxies will blame this on Obama?? Seriously?

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