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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhh noo....

    Article 2 Section 2

    The President shall have power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
    Absolutely. That is correct. However, too bad for you that Article 1 Section 5 comes first....The Senate was not in recess.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhh noo....

    Article 2 Section 2

    The President shall have power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
    Yeah, you're right. It is clearly constitutional. The GOP is trying to get around it with a technicality. They want to pretend that if they just never say that they're in recess even when they are, then they can basically just strip that power from the executive branch. That isn't how the constitution works at all though. The constitution isn't a technicality you can trick, it's basic guiding principles for how our government is to operate.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And that is exactly what our government is doing.
    Nope. When they form agencies that exist to strip power of decision making from people they are not doing it.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sure I do, everyone does. You're not that clever.
    No you don't.

    But the point is that it doesn't matter.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    WTH are you talking about? That's the whole purpose of the CFPB- to protect people's rights... Whose rights are being given up? The banks' right to defraud people?
    To form ideas on how to resolve problems that exist. If it is in fact fraud as you claim treat it as such and not as something you can use to put your solutions on the market with.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    To form ideas on how to resolve problems that exist. If it is in fact fraud as you claim treat it as such and not as something you can use to put your solutions on the market with.
    That's fine if you think it isn't the best solution from a policy perspective. By all means, you're free to be part of the 20%. We use democratic means to resolve questions like that, to 80% > 20%. But you had said something about it violating people's rights somehow and that protecting rights trumped democracy. What's that about? Whose rights are being violated by fighting fraud?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Nope. When they form agencies that exist to strip power of decision making from people they are not doing it.
    Strip the power of decision making from people.... what does that phrase specifically mean in real terms? Like the power to decide what exactly? I believe previously you did not approve of the government stripping you of your power to decide where on the highway you felt you could drive. Is this another one of those type of things?
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The rights of people? Please, that is dishonest right from the start. Its regulates banks and puts in place their solutions trumping their rights and the responsibly of people. All it does is allow the fed the power to control more of the economy while trumping rights of people.
    Excuse me? The CFPB is primarily tasked with improving transparency in financial transations so that less sophisticated borrowers (and they are almost all less sophisticated than the bankers) aren't taken advantage of. They will also provide consumer education, and enforce anti-discrmination laws. "The people" won't have their rights trumped. In other words, it is the exact opposite of taking decision making away from people. What it does is ensure that documents are written in plain English and are not deceptive, so that people can make decisions in the light of day.

    This has nothing to do with everyone that opposes the CFPB. Your argument is like saying because someone opposes the EPA they are for everyone dieing because of chemicals. You don't see how dishonest that is, do you?
    Yes, it is like saying that, although I wouldn't put it so hyperbolically. Generally speaking, people who oppose the EPA want to benefit industry by loosening environmental regulations. And people who oppose the CFPB want to benefit the financial industry by allowing them to use unfair and deceptive trade practices.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Strip the power of decision making from people.... what does that phrase specifically mean in real terms? Like the power to decide what exactly? I believe previously you did not approve of the government stripping you of your power to decide where on the highway you felt you could drive. Is this another one of those type of things?
    In a way I guess, as it is a freedom argument of sorts, but beyond that, its not all that comparable. This is the government finding a problem and deciding a solution on it. The EPA, the FCC, and the CFPB does this everyday. Most of which aren't even problems to begin with, but that is a different subject.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post

    Yes, it is like saying that, although I wouldn't put it so hyperbolically. Generally speaking, people who oppose the EPA want to benefit industry by loosening environmental regulations. And people who oppose the CFPB want to benefit the financial industry by allowing them to use unfair and deceptive trade practices.

    No that is the yoke you dishonestly want to hang around your opponents necks. Man, you guy's are gonna be cryin' when Obama, and the whole Chicago thug gang are booted out.



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