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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    so, what, are you just making this **** up as you go?
    well you see, by admitting that the Director of this agency can be impeached by Congress, that would acknowledge a form of oversight over the agency by Congress....which would of course destroy his whole argument.


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    so, what, are you just making this **** up as you go?

    Not at all...


    The CFPB Is Unaccountable

    * Consumer Financial Protection BureauUnaccountable Excess: Largely unaccountable to Congress and imbued with sweeping powers, the agency is the epitome of regulatory excess. Because the bureau is ensconced within the Federal Reserve, its budget is not subject to congressional control. This budgetary independence limits congressional oversight of the agency.
    * No Congressional Oversight: Although some financial regulatory agencies, such as the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Fed itself, also fall outside the congressional appropriations process, they are the exceptions rather than the rule among government agencies.
    * No Presidential or Fed Supervision, Either: The CFPB’s status within the Fed effectively precludes presidential oversight, while the Federal Reserve is statutorily prohibited from “intervening” in CFPB affairs.
    * Undefined Authority Risks Abuses of Power: The CFPB’s accountability is further minimized by the vague language of its statutory mandate. It is empowered to punish “unfair, deceptive and abusive” business practices. While unfair and deceptive have been defined in other regulatory contexts, the term abusive is largely undefined, granting the CFPB officials inordinate discretion to define its own powers.
    * Veto of Bureau Actions Exceedingly Narrow: The Financial Stability Oversight Council may exercise oversight of the CFPB only if bureau actions would endanger the “safety and soundness of the United States banking system or the stability of the financial system of the United States.” Any veto of CFPB action would also require the approval of two-thirds of the council’s 10-member board.

    Consumer Financial Protection Bureau: Unaccountable and Costly

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    just because you don't like what he did, doesn't make it unConstitutional.

    No, what makes it unconstitutional, is that IT IS unconstitutional...I suggest you read your constitution, and pay close attention to section 5.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    the CFPB's Director and all other personnel, can be impeached by Congress.

    they are indeed, accountable.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the CFPB's Director and all other personnel, can be impeached by Congress.

    they are indeed, accountable.
    Show us, if you can....

    * No Congressional Oversight: Although some financial regulatory agencies, such as the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Fed itself, also fall outside the congressional appropriations process, they are the exceptions rather than the rule among government agencies.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    i assume 50% of both Houses.
    Does "progressive" mean that one posts without knowing the issue ? You have claimed Impeachment as an adequate oversight tool. I pointed out to you that it was not a usual form of oversight, suggesting that it had different voter thresholds required than usual oversight mechanisms, which would clearly alter its oversight capacity. And you respond by showing that you do not know what you are talking about.

    2/3rd majority in the Senate. U.S. Senate: Art & History Home > Origins & Development > Powers & Procedures > Impeachment

    You are that close to my Ignore List. If you do not care enough to at least attempt to be informed when you post, then I surely do not give two craps about reading what you have to say. Slow down a little, and try to post better. It will benefit you.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Does "progressive" mean that one posts without knowing the issue?.....
    ad homs are pathetic.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Show us, if you can....
    show you what, that all Federal officers can be impeached?

    its in the Constitution.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    show you what, that all Federal officers can be impeached?

    its in the Constitution.

    Ok, post it.


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, post it.


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