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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It has already been pointed out that the very so called "agency" may be unconstitutional..
    well, until the SCOTUS declares it unConstitutional, it should be allowed to function normally.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not at all, I wish you progressives would follow it.

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    fine. let this guy have his up or down vote.

    yea yea, I know........you guys would filibuster even Jesus Christ himself, if he was nominated to run this agency.

    please show us where the Constitution says the filibuster can be used to actually prevent a Congressionally-approved government agency from functioning.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so, you see no difference between filibustering a judicial nominee, and threatening to filibuster ANY & ALL nominations for director of an agency, thereby preventing the agency from functioning?????????????????
    What I see is the GOP using the rules, as practiced by Harry Reid, and Senator Obama at the time. I see them not beating around the bush, but actually sending a letter to Obama, outlining the issues. They went by the bill as written. They went by the process as already used by Reid. They went with the will of the majority of votes cast in the last election. And the President put politics ahead of principle.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    What I see is the GOP using the rules....
    please link to and quote the rule that says a filibuster can be used to prevent ANYONE from leading a Federal agency, therefore perpetually hobbling the function of the agency.

    thanks.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    well, until the SCOTUS declares it unConstitutional, it should be allowed to function normally.
    So your argument is that you should be allowed to damage the economy at will until the court agrees to hear the case? Nah, you'll excuse us if we don't want your destructive mitts anywhere near an unaccountable agency with regulatory power.

    You tend to abuse power.

    please show us where the Constitution says the filibuster can be used to actually prevent a Congressionally-approved government agency from functioning.

    Already posted it...See, that's what you get for ignoring what is written, in favor of foaming at the mouth....Go look it up.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    please link to and quote the rule that says a filibuster can be used to prevent ANYONE from leading a Federal agency, therefore perpetually hobbling the function of the agency.

    thanks.

    Already posted it....Look it up.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So your argument is that you should be allowed to damage the economy at will until the court agrees to hear the case? Nah, you'll excuse us if we don't want your destructive mitts anywhere near an unaccountable agency with regulatory power....
    sorry, but I don't respond to pathetic strawmen.

    oh, and btw, the agency is not "unaccountable", as the agency director can be impeached and the agency defunded if they **** up or fail to do a good job.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    sorry, but I don't respond to pathetic strawmen.

    oh, and btw, the agency is not "unaccountable", as the agency director can be impeached and the agency defunded if they **** up or fail to do a good job.
    While you are on a soapbox, telling us how its the GOP hamstringing the process, check out this new thread:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060090560

    As Obama also made three "Recess" appointments (two Dems, one Repub) to the NLRB in the same unConstitutional move, he never even bothered to submit the two Dems to the Senate while in session. In fact, according to the article, he only had them listed for two days while the Senate was not in session. There's your political Obama. He don't need no stinking "advise and consent"

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Right, so, the GOP made their case .... AND LOST.

    So, naturally, the next thing to do is throw a tantrum and refuse to carry out your constitional duties because you're really really pissed that you didn't win the debate, legislatively.
    Actually, i'm not pissed about anything. Am a little curious how some on the Left are so consumed in partisanship that they can't even conceive there are two sides to this issue. And certainly politics is involved. But it (politics) is and has been getting played on both sides of the aisle....


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    That's not really a relevant point, is it, C. Differences of opinion in organization are properly addressed in the legislative process, not by refusing to confirm anyone to a lawfully created agency, b/c you want to kill the agency and couldn't muster up the votes to do so legislatively.
    Yes. It is relevant. And from what I have read the GOP is not trying to "kill the agency". Thought the Hatch write up did a nice job of laying out some details.


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