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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    In this country, laws are passed by a majority of the House and the Senate. Currently, the Republicans do not have enough votes to pass anything without the help of Democrats in the Senate. That is the way it is.

    So instead, the GOP has decided to abuse our Senatorial rules & regulations, to have their way without relying on democracy and the 51% vote rule.

    If anyone has created a Constitutional crisis...it is the Republican Party, due to their total disrespect for our democracy and legislative rules.

    I hope the GOP keeps pushing this, so that more Americans can see what the Republicans are actually doing, and see the TRUE FACE of the Grand Old Party: that of dishonesty, trickery, and deceit.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    What is not so? That a lawfully created agency should be killed via the legislative process and not by one party refusing to perform its constitutional duties to advise and consent?


    THAT'S hilarious. You know, the more I read about the righty objections to this appointment in the face of a pro forma session, the more I like it. EXCELLENT fight to pick. Just ****ing brilliant.


    The right is arguing that they really REALLY should be able to do an end run around the legislative process to kill an agency that will protect consumers. Throwing a temper tantrum, to do the bidding of Wall Street to kill an agency Wall Street hates, b/c their stupid obstructionist tactic was thwarted.
    LOL .... except, and as noted several times in the thread, the GOP laid out its specific issues, none of which would have killed the department, and most of which are heavily endorsed by the GOP rank and file, which won big Nov 2010

    Now, it is one more election issue for November, although it will not be a major one. The damage done here is longer term. Any President who wants to ignore advise and consent now can. Think back to Bush filling every single vacancy, and saying "**** you" to the Democrats with every signature. That is now your future, just won't be Bush is all.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    That's not really a relevant point, is it, C. Differences of opinion in organization are properly addressed in the legislative process, not by refusing to confirm anyone to a lawfully created agency, b/c you want to kill the agency and couldn't muster up the votes to do so legislatively.

    Well, not so fast...

    If the CFPB tries to issue new mandates and regulations, they will be open to numerous challenges because of the flawed appointment of its first director, especially given the central role the director plays in the bureau becoming an independent agency, he said.

    “The Constitution ensures accountability and transparency of agencies, and there would be several grounds for the CFPB to be challenged,” he said.

    “President said today he wants to increase accountability in the private sector, but he wants to weaken accountability in the government sector, but that won’t work,” he said.

    A Senate staffer, who have been close to the workings of the Cordray nomination, said, “Under the Dodd-Frank Act, it is clear that the CFPB's powers to regulate non-banks, its ‘new’ powers, are activated upon Senate confirmation -- not recess appointment -- of a Director.”


    Portman: Cordray Appointment Will Not Change CFPB - HUMAN EVENTS
    Obama may have rendered this "agency" void.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    LOL .... except, and as noted several times in the thread, the GOP laid out its specific issues, none of which would have killed the department,...
    they want the agency to have no damn director, for one thing.

    well, if they really want that...then convince enough Senators & Congressmen to vote that way.

    if you don't have the votes, then you have lost. however, the GOP plays by different rules.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    they want the agency to have no damn director, for one thing.

    well, if they really want that...then convince enough Senators & Congressmen to vote that way.

    if you don't have the votes, then you have lost. however, the GOP plays by different rules.
    You know, "progressive" can be as in to get progressively slower

    They played by Reid's rules. And Obama's rules. Its the liberal who always change the rules. Now, with the next time there is a GOP President, and a GOP Senate, which could be in less than 13 months, you realize that you cannot stop a single Federal Judge from being appointed, except SCOTUS, and then only by votes you will not have. All of Harry Reid's obstructions are gone. Buh-bye !

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You know, "progressive" can be as in to get progressively slower ...
    wtf are you trying to say?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    they want the agency to have no damn director, for one thing.

    well, if they really want that...then convince enough Senators & Congressmen to vote that way.

    if you don't have the votes, then you have lost. however, the GOP plays by different rules.
    Sorry, but that doesn't mean that you get to wad up the Constitution and toss it in the trash so that you get what you want....

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You know, "progressive" can be as in to get progressively slower

    They played by Reid's rules. And Obama's rules. Its the liberal who always change the rules. Now, with the next time there is a GOP President, and a GOP Senate, which could be in less than 13 months, you realize that you cannot stop a single Federal Judge from being appointed, except SCOTUS, and then only by votes you will not have. All of Harry Reid's obstructions are gone. Buh-bye !
    10-4 on that....In about 12 months from now when sanity is restored, and repubs start doing what demo's have been doing, I don't want to see a single post deriding it from a lib....

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sorry, but that doesn't mean that you get to wad up the Constitution and toss it in the trash so that you get what you want....
    you are correct, and that is exactly what the Republicans have done.

    they have turned the Constitution into tiolet paper. They have turned the Senate into an off-off-Broadway show. A very bad one.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    10-4 on that....In about 12 months from now when sanity is restored, and repubs start doing what demo's have been doing, I don't want to see a single post deriding it from a lib....

    j-mac
    oh, so you expect the Democrats to filibuster every single bill the GOP tries to make law?

    you expect the Democrats to filibuster every judicial nominee?

    you expect the Democrats to make believe they are in session when they are really off for the winter, in order to prevent an entire Federal agency from functioning?

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