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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Link it "Progressive". Otherwise, I am calling your bluff. Many bills have passed this year.
    why did you put Progressive in quotes? do you think I'm a crypto-Conservative?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Bush makes recess appointments, no problem. Obama makes recess appointments, it's a constitutional crisis. For gods sake people, whether something is right or wrong is not determined by who did it.
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    Did you miss the example given in the source?
    It also gives several examples of how the Senate is not in Recess, to include this exact same action used by Harry Reid just a few years ago. It is not about who is in office. The process is established, and has been upheld and used by both sides. Bush did not violate the Dems use of this maneuver.

    The examples which support the position of the GOP are far more numerous than the one that is contrary, are they not ?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Bush makes recess appointments, no problem. Obama makes recess appointments, it's a constitutional crisis. For gods sake people, whether something is right or wrong is not determined by who did it.
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    why did you put Progressive in quotes? do you think I'm a crypto-Conservative?
    Hey, its your label, not mine. I just want to see a "Progressive" have to actually support their assertion. Earlier you told me that I needed a better link. And yet here you are with essentially "because I said so".

    Oh the irony ....

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Link it "Progressive". Otherwise, I am calling your bluff. Many bills have passed this year.
    No link in the reply .... I wouldn't expect it either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder
    the GOP in Congress has admitted to fillibustering every God-damned bill proposed or supported by Obama, for the simple purpose of winning the 2012 election and you are complaining about Obama choosing politics????
    Oooh!! Sweeping Generalization Fallacy + Tu quoque all in one sentence!? Bravo!
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Obama is quite the hypocrit in this one isn't he?
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Obama is quite the hypocrit in this one isn't he?
    Yes, but that isn't what bothers me, or many I believe. We expect politics, and hypocricies, and the like. We also expect a certain fundamental respect for institutions and protocols. In Obama, we have a 100% inept narcistic POS. He called a joint session to do what ? Announce his JOBS bill, aka launch his reelection campaign. Not a poster here who has ever had such a politicised calling of a joint session ever happen in their lifetimes.

    Now we have this. It went too far. It trashed protocol. It makes for a more discombobulated government. Whatever advantage libs (and Progressives) think is gained by this, it is short term. Real short term. At far too high of a long-term cost. We are eroding the fabric of our institutions.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Basically we simply have another example of what Obama states meaning little.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    We have recess appointments occurring when his own party controls the Senate. Maybe he should pick a less controversial appointment if he cant even get it by his own party.

    Now if you want to claim its being blocked, debate the nominee, see how that plays out. If it plays out badly, maybe he shouldnt be the nominee.

    Lastly, this is all political maneuvering, its being done to provoke a reaction from the GOP so Obama can go radical, blah blah, extreme, blah blah. Its all really transparent. Funny how he can ignore precedent to make a political move that he was against before he was President. Maybe if it was the wrong thing to do before, it should be the wrong thing to do now.

    Someone, somewhere is going to sue, per the law, the Chairman or whatever the term is, must be confirmed by the Senate to enact any of his duties. So we will see what happens.
    Democrats have a majority in the Senate, yes; but because Republicans filibuster practically EVERYTHING, then Republicans have usurped control of the Senate.

    While it's within the rules, they've laid the groundrules (actually, they've expanded upon what Democrats did, but have taken it to even further extremes) that everything in the Senate must have 60 votes.

    If Republicans take the Senate, which is quite possible, then Democrats are only going to continue the trend and nothing can ever get done, unless someone wins a super-majority from here on out.

    This isn't how Congress is supposed to work. It's a cluster-****.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Good for him. At this point the Congressional Republicans simply can't be reasoned with. The days when Obama pushed so hard for bi-partisan compromise on everything are over. He was shockingly patient with the Republican obstructionism for 3 years, but that patience appears to have worn out.

    The Republicans have consistently been using every dirty trick they can come up with to block everything of any kind. Every nominee, every bill. Even nominees and bills that they in the past have supported. At this point it is becoming more and more clear that they are openly trying to prevent government from functioning entirely. They don't want it to pay it's bills, they don't want any legislation of any kind passed, they keep pushing for government shutdowns, they don't want the positions required to fulfill it's basic functions to be staffed. They're trying to sabotage the US government itself. Well, when one of the parties decides to try to intentionally derail the country you don't sit there and say "ok, how about if we just half derail it"... What you do is you try everything you can to circumvent them and keep the train on the tracks.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Good for him. At this point the Congressional Republicans simply can't be reasoned with. The days when Obama pushed so hard for bi-partisan compromise on everything are over. He was shockingly patient with the Republican obstructionism for 3 years, but that patience appears to have worn out.

    The Republicans have consistently been using every dirty trick they can come up with to block everything of any kind. Every nominee, every bill. Even nominees and bills that they in the past have supported. At this point it is becoming more and more clear that they are openly trying to prevent government from functioning entirely. They don't want it to pay it's bills, they don't want any legislation of any kind passed, they keep pushing for government shutdowns, they don't want the positions required to fulfill it's basic functions to be staffed. They're trying to sabotage the US government itself. Well, when one of the parties decides to try to intentionally derail the country you don't sit there and say "ok, how about if we just half derail it"... What you do is you try everything you can to circumvent them and keep the train on the tracks.
    We asked the same of the last absurd rant, but how about a link ?

    The crap that the libs foment to try to justify his loserness is absurd. Obama is a piece of ****. Completely unable to work within the political arena.

    God help the Republic.

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