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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    From my point of view, Obama is working with an obstructionist Republican, legislative branch.

    It is NOT a Republican Legislative branch, it is the Senate. Who just happens to be in the control of the Democrats and more specifically Senate Leader Harry Reid.

    So you need to start asking WHY Harry Reid wont call for a vote. Let the Republicans all vote no if they choose....it wont stop the confirmation of the nominee, the Senate only needs 51 votes to pass, the Democrats have that all by them selves.


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Good post. And nice summary by Hatch on the issues/concerns surrounding the new bureau.

    One can agree or disagree with the specific items Hatch lists in the article. But the point is that there were some genuine elements of disagreement between the two parties regarding the structure of this new agency. The courts will determine if Obama's political maneuver was legal, but in the mean time the efforts by the Left to portray this as some altruistic action by Obama to "protect the American people" is very misguided.

    May turn out to be a clever political powerplay by Obama. But the reality is that it was nothing more or less than a "clever powerplay by Obama"

    That's not really a relevant point, is it, C. Differences of opinion in organization are properly addressed in the legislative process, not by refusing to confirm anyone to a lawfully created agency, b/c you want to kill the agency and couldn't muster up the votes to do so legislatively.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Not sure how would work. Reid controls the Senate and he wasn't going to allow any such legislation to move forward. And Obama sure as hell wasn't going to sign anything that undermined his own expansion of power.


    (Help me out here....??)

    Right, so, the GOP made their case .... AND LOST.

    So, naturally, the next thing to do is throw a tantrum and refuse to carry out your constitional duties because you're really really pissed that you didn't win the debate, legislatively.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    The GOP simply does not have the votes to kill the new agency, or even severely change it. That said, they should simply try to get more votes to do this in the future.

    But abusing the filibuster rule & the recess rules to prevent the new agency from having a Director, is shameful and a disgrace.

    Obama, has finally chosen to stand up to the GOP and has shown he actually has balls. Good for you, Mr. President.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    When did Democrats filibuster a nominee because they opposed the AGENCY that the person was nominated for? If you can't find an example that your post is gibberish.
    Uhm, Dems are big government, they have never seen a new government agency they didn't like. Whats the point of this post?

    The agency structure defies congressional oversight of executive agencies. It has none. I would expect Dodd/Frank would get a kick in the pants if this atrocity agency were ever challenged on rulings. There are ways to reform commercial banking and other areas without creating a super agency that can step around the legislative body and existing laws to do so.

    The EPA is already doing enough of that, thanks.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    ...So you need to start asking WHY Harry Reid wont call for a vote. Let the Republicans all vote no if they choose....it wont stop the confirmation of the nominee, the Senate only needs 51 votes to pass, the Democrats have that all by them selves....
    wait, so you're saying Reid won't allow an up or down vote on this person?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    That's not really a relevant point, is it, C. Differences of opinion in organization are properly addressed in the legislative process, not by refusing to confirm anyone to a lawfully created agency, b/c you want to kill the agency and couldn't muster up the votes to do so legislatively.
    Not so. The political process does not begin and end at some door. Further, in order to get the Dodd-Frank bill passed, it specifically included language that retained for the Senate this exact power of confirmation. It had these exact strings attached when it was signed. That the President was potentially going to have to face further negotiations with the Senate was not assumed, it was written in the bill.

    The President has now usurped the system, in an Unconstitutional power grab, specifically in contravention of the Bill, the recognized and established protocols, and the prior arguments of his own Solicitor General before SCOTUS.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    United States Consumer Financial Protection Bureau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The GOP has filibustered a final vote. They would filibuster a vote for anyone, thereby preventing the new agency from functioning.

    If the GOP is gonna play such a dispicable & pathetic game, Obama has no choice but to make a Recess Appointment.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Not so. The political process does not begin and end at some door. Further, in order to get the Dodd-Frank bill passed, it specifically included language that retained for the Senate this exact power of confirmation. It had these exact strings attached when it was signed. That the President was potentially going to have to face further negotiations with the Senate was not assumed, it was written in the bill.

    The President has now usurped the system, in an Unconstitutional power grab, specifically in contravention of the Bill, the recognized and established protocols, and the prior arguments of his own Solicitor General before SCOTUS.
    What is not so? That a lawfully created agency should be killed via the legislative process and not by one party refusing to perform its constitutional duties to advise and consent?


    THAT'S hilarious. You know, the more I read about the righty objections to this appointment in the face of a pro forma session, the more I like it. EXCELLENT fight to pick. Just ****ing brilliant.


    The right is arguing that they really REALLY should be able to do an end run around the legislative process to kill an agency that will protect consumers. Throwing a temper tantrum, to do the bidding of Wall Street to kill an agency Wall Street hates, b/c their stupid obstructionist tactic was thwarted.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    United States Consumer Financial Protection Bureau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The GOP has filibustered a final vote. They would filibuster a vote for anyone, thereby preventing the new agency from functioning.

    If the GOP is gonna play such a dispicable & pathetic game, Obama has no choice but to make a Recess Appointment.
    He really did have no choice, but it remains fascinating to me that he chose to do it the way he did, instead of slipping it in between sessions in the few seconds between when the last congress ended and the new one opened.
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