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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are trying to split hairs because Obama is doing basically the exact same thing you had no problem with when conservative presidents did it. You don't want recess appointments, then stop playing politics with the process. If you play politics with the process, I don't want to hear crying about things like this.
    When did Bush unilaterally declare the senate was out of session? If you can't find an example than all of your posts are gibberish.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This statement is the ultimate irony. Let me tell you why:

    1) The father of Neoconservatism was Irving Kristol, who WAS a REAL card carrying member of the Communist Party when he attended college in New York.
    Is there relevance?

    2) The other lynchpin of Neoconservatism was Leo Strauss, the professor at the University of Chicago, who taught and advocated a policy called Noble Lies, in which, to get a population to go along with you, you had to tell them lies, which would supposedly be for their own good. Invented by Plato, Noble Lies was used by Machiavelli, and also..... get ready for it...... Karl Marx.
    Again, relevance?

    3) President Bush had a LOT of Neoconservatives in his administration.
    Again, relevance?

    [quote]4) I never once saw you call Bush a Marxist..... EVER! [quote]

    Two points. First point, I was not on this board when President Bush was in the White House. I have only been here, as a guest, during the one term Marxist president Barack Hussein Obama's regime. Second. Relevance?

    I had my own word for the Neocons, though. I called them Bushneviks. LOL.
    That's a good one. Again, relevance?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    When did Bush unilaterally declare the senate was out of session? If you can't find an example than all of your posts are gibberish.
    When did Democrats filibuster a nominee because they opposed the AGENCY that the person was nominated for? If you can't find an example that your post is gibberish.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    From my point of view, Obama is working with an obstructionist Republican, legislative branch. Here is consumer protection legislation that Big Money has bought and paid for legislators to oppose and Obama slides it by the bought and paid for votes. A humiliating defeat and maybe they'll have to give the vote money, er, I mean campaign funds back to the fictitious entities(corporations-corporate personhood). Now I'm a Green, not a Dem, and it is obvious that the 1% is against this law, not the people. Repubs want this agency to be like the NRC, DOD, DOE, etc. and that translates to cheerleaders for the industries involved and not regulators. For this moment in time, we have a regulator.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Limbaugh correctly analyzes it here:
    heh...he takes 5 words out of a much longer speech...I don't know if that's an analysis.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    May turn out to be a clever political powerplay by Obama. But the reality is that it was nothing more or less than a "clever powerplay by Obama"
    Whose doing the power play again...the President using a recess appointment or a minority in the senate that want to use the appointment process to change legislation..........
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How to put this.

    When an agency of this type has a director that is not held accountable to anyone but one person (the president) the potential for abuse is high.

    When an agency has a board each of the members must agree to any policy that is enacted. This puts a check on abusive policies. (not saying it can't be done...just that it is harder...just like our Congress/Senate) Unlike when there is a director who can pass policies when ever he/she feels like it. Having a board also creates less of a chance that someone will be bribed. (not saying it can't be done...just that it is harder)
    Okay, that may be true. But it's not like we don't have plenty of agencies and departments run by just one appointee at the top, and we don't worry about them being unaccountable.

    The other part of the accountability that was wanted (the part that you ignored) was that Congress funds it instead of the Federal Reserve. This makes them beholden to the People far more than say a President in his last term of office.
    No, more beholden to Congress. There's a reason the Fed isn't very "accountable" and maybe that's not a bad thing sometimes.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so, following the rules of the Senate & the Democratic process set up by our Founding Fathers, the GOP doesn't have enough votes to kill or drastically ammend this new agency?
    The rules of the Senate also say that a Recess appointment can not be made while the house or senate are in session too, that means pro forma sessions as well...How dare you cite 'The founding fathers' as you spit all over their graves. As for creating this "new agency" Obama and the demo's answer to the people, or at least should. He is not a King, or dictator even though many of you progressives think he should be.

    tough luck. that doesn't justify abusing the Filibuster rule or having 5-minute Senatorial sessions to make believe the Senate isn't on vacation, in order to prevent any Recess Appointments.
    Oh, but it does. See the demo's used it when it suited them, and was considered a 'nuclear option' for Bush to do what King Barry did, but since King Barry needs a fight in order to deflect the lemmings away from looking at his record he just went straight there...Seems awful desperate to me.

    Health care, this debacle now headed to the courts, seems like a perfect **** storm for Barry coming right in the middle of his campaign...Thanks demo's for screwing up my country!

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Okay, that may be true. But it's not like we don't have plenty of agencies and departments run by just one appointee at the top, and we don't worry about them being unaccountable.

    Oh my Freakin' GAWD! you can NOT be serious here....

    In early December, three pieces of legislation passed in the House putting federal regulators on notice. The Regulatory Flexibility Improvements Act of 2011 (H.R. 527) passed on December 1 and focused on the impact that rules have on small entities. The next day the House passed the Regulatory Accountability Act (H.R. 3010) which requires more thorough and more transparent examination of proposed rules before they are adopted. The most sweeping of the regulatory reforms was the Regulations From the Executive in Need of Scrutiny (REINS) Act of 2011 (H.R. 10). It passed on December 7 and strips power from unaccountable bureaucrats to enact burdensome regulations with an annual economic impact of $100M or more.

    Each has been referred in the Senate where hopes for passage are dim. President Obama has threatened to veto all three.

    The House votes largely went down party lines. Twenty-eight Democrats joined all voting Republicans in support of H.R. 527. Only 19 Democrats voted “Aye” on H.R. 3010 and a mere five voted for REINS.

    Congressman Ben Chandler (D, Ky-6) voted reliably with his party on H.R. 3010 and REINS, and in support of three labor-backed, Democrat-sponsored amendments which would have weakened H.R. 527.

    “It is unconscionable that at a time when the labor force is shrinking and more than 13 million Americans are still looking for work, Ben Chandler continues to oppose sensible regulatory reform, like the REINS Act, which would give Congress the ability to protect the American people from job killing regulations,” said Andy Barr, the 2012 Republican candidate for Congress in Kentucky’s Sixth Congressional District.

    Barr, a part-time instructor of Constitutional Law, also noted that the REINS Act would reinvigorate the non-delegation doctrine, a corollary to the separation of powers doctrine, which prohibits Congress from delegating unfettered legislative authority to the Executive Branch.

    Chandler’s opposition to H.R. 3010 is particularly interesting in light of his role as chair of the Blue Dog Coalition’s Task Force on Oversight and Regulatory Review. According to the Task Force’s website, it “examines the thousands of regulations issued annually by the federal government with the objective of identifying those that are overly burdensome and modifying rules problematic to job creation.” It focuses on 12 independent federal agencies, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. If enacted, H.R. 3010 would, among other things, subject the independent agencies such as the Federal Communications Commission and the Securities and Exchange Commission to the same rulemaking required of executive branch agencies.

    The Administration shows no signs of slowing down on job-killing over-regulation. According to the White House, 144 pending major rules are expected soon to cost at least $100 million annually. Rather than standing against the rising burden of regula



    So the demo's, together with Unions are working against Business in order to impose the highest amount of job killing regulation since the Great Depression.

    Some 88,000 new pages of regulation were instituted in 2011 by unaccountable political hacks for Obama. Not all of them were targeted at "big business", as we see here in this story, many were targeted at individuals...Welcome to the Obama future people:

    Nobody Knows How Many Federal Regulations Carry Criminal Penalties | The Lonely Conservative


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Yes there was! Elizabeth Warren.
    Elizabeth Warren was never nominated for appointment.

    While it is true, she helped design the whole department, on July 18th she was kicked to the curb during a "Personnel announcement" by Pres B.O. naming former Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray to take the helm at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau from Elizabeth Warren. Take that as a nomination, thats fine...counts close enough to consider that as truth.

    The other two - Sharon Block and Richard Griffin, the two appointed to the NLRB dont even appear on the White Houses own nomination sheet until December 15, 2011.....Congress more accurately The Senate adjourned for the year – but did not go into an official recess — on the following day, giving the senate a whole 2 days to do everything needed and have a vote.

    Thats not stalling...they dont set the agenda in the Senate, the Democrats do...Harry Reid specifically. Why not ask him why HE didnt schedule these two for confirmation or why HE didnt schedule a confirmation hearing on Cordray.

    Carney added that though Obama did not give Congress a chance to act, Obama wanted to pre-empt the Senate.
    NLRB | Recess Appointments Sharon Block | Richard Griffin | The Daily Caller

    Refusing to allow the Constitutional process to follow its preset, predetermined path is abuse of power and a complete disregard for the Constitution. Bush did his fair share of pushing the Constitution and breaking it in a few places, but to outright disregard the Constitution and boast about doing so....thats abuse of power.
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