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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    They couldnt refuse to appoint anyone, no one was ever nominated for the position
    Yes there was! Elizabeth Warren.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Yes there was! Elizabeth Warren.
    Yes, and rightly so, that downright Marxist was rejected even by demo's....


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, and rightly so, that downright Marxist was rejected even by demo's....


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    could you please share with us what she has done that causes you to insist she is a marxist
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, and rightly so, that downright Marxist was rejected even by demo's....


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    Not judging whether she was right or wrong for the position. Just correcting a falsehood or misunderstanding; there was at least one person nominated by the President for the vacant CFPB position.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    could you please share with us what she has done that causes you to insist she is a marxist

    Let's let her dig her own hole...



    Limbaugh correctly analyzes it here:

    "Nobody ever got rich on his own"? What this is, Marx had a thing called surplus value. This is Marxism, pure and simple, and the surplus value of the... Marx's belief is that workers, laborers, are getting screwed by not getting any of the profits of the company, only their wages.

    Obama is surrounded by people like this. But what she is saying and the reason these people have to be defeated, is saying is that since the government, quote, unquote, "pays for the basics," such as roads, that the government thus controls everything. This is why they want their hooks in the school curriculum via the school lunch program. If they can make a claim that they, the government -- not the people being the government, but they, the stewards of government -- are paying for anything, then they can control everything. So in her mind, and what guides this thinking, there is no escaping government intervention and control if some aspect of the government touches all of us. You are born in a public hospital? The government owns you! That's an example of this kind of thinking.

    If there weren't a hospital built by the rest of us, you might not have survived childbirth. Therefore, we own you. Therefore, you owe us. And this is the rationale that they use. Now, of course in her example here, a robber baron came along and built a factory and is selfishly capitalizing on everybody else's labor, none of his own. She forgets that this factory owner and factory builder also paid taxes that built the roads and the infrastructure around, and so did his employees. I think it's a great thing for everybody to hear. This grand total of maybe 55 seconds of audio is one of the best teaching aids that I, El Rushbo, have ever had the opportunity to share with you throughout the 23-year history of this program. This "social contract" business, too. That's more Marxist and leftist lingo.

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    Not to mention that Warren has said before that 401K holders are "suckers" and in the formation of the CFPB would do what she could to incorporate these private plans into the overall SS administration because we certainly couldn't be smart enough to make the right decisions with our own money.


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Abso-freakin'-lutely.!!!!!!


    I give you Senator Hatch:

    Time For Accountability At The CFPB

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    Good post. And nice summary by Hatch on the issues/concerns surrounding the new bureau.

    One can agree or disagree with the specific items Hatch lists in the article. But the point is that there were some genuine elements of disagreement between the two parties regarding the structure of this new agency. The courts will determine if Obama's political maneuver was legal, but in the mean time the efforts by the Left to portray this as some altruistic action by Obama to "protect the American people" is very misguided.

    May turn out to be a clever political powerplay by Obama. But the reality is that it was nothing more or less than a "clever powerplay by Obama"


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the proper way to fix an agency that you feel is poorly constructed, is to pass a new law fixing it.

    filibustering EVERY nominee to head the agency, is an abuse of the filibuster & Senate approval process.
    Not sure how would work. Reid controls the Senate and he wasn't going to allow any such legislation to move forward. And Obama sure as hell wasn't going to sign anything that undermined his own expansion of power.


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Not sure how would work. Reid controls the Senate and he wasn't going to allow any such legislation to move forward. And Obama sure as hell wasn't going to sign anything that undermined his own expansion of power.....
    so, following the rules of the Senate & the Democratic process set up by our Founding Fathers, the GOP doesn't have enough votes to kill or drastically ammend this new agency?

    tough luck. that doesn't justify abusing the Filibuster rule or having 5-minute Senatorial sessions to make believe the Senate isn't on vacation, in order to prevent any Recess Appointments.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

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    Limbaugh correctly analyzes it
    Have you ever cited anyone but a right-wing partisan?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Not sure how would work. Reid controls the Senate and he wasn't going to allow any such legislation to move forward. And Obama sure as hell wasn't going to sign anything that undermined his own expansion of power.


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    Well that's the breaks, right? I mean, you can't ALWAYS get your way RIGHT NOW. That's why we have elections every two years. For now, the voters have spoken and Republicans don't have enough seats to get it done. That doesn't give them the right to stamp their feet and twist the advice and consent process to a purpose for which it was never intended.

    Lost in all this is the fact that a huge majoirty of Americans support the Consumer Protection agency, including 68% of Republicans (AARP polling data)! Republicans in Congress aren't just trying to snub Obama -- they are going against the clear majority of Americans and their own constituents.
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