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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    The demo's had no problem using it on Bush appointees.
    Actually, the Democrats generally used the filibuster weapon against Bush' nominees in the most extreme cases (John Bolton being one).

    DeLay and Frist threatened to change the filibuster rule to get what they wanted, and the Democrats wound up letting Bush have most of his judicial appointees.

    The Republicans are not giving the current adminstration the same courtesy

    It is the GOP that holds, the filibuster record, and has broken its own record at least twice now. Using parlimentary tricks to forstall the function of government and to try and re fight old fights is a constant ploy of the modern GOP.

    Filibustering a presidential nominee was once a very rare thing. When it happened, it was front page news. Abe Fortas and Robert Borq come to mind. Time was, the opposition said its piece, the vote was close, but the President ususally got the nominee he wanted. Actually, in those cases where it was apparant that the votes weren't there, the nomination was ususally withdrawn.

    Beginning with Gingrich, that all changed. The GOP began using the filibuster process to clog the lists of judicial appointees in the late 1990's. The practice has only accellerated since.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Do any GOPers here believe that they were right to refuse to appoint any nominee to this new agency?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Do any GOPers here believe that they were right to refuse to appoint any nominee to this new agency?

    It's a completely intellectually bankrupt position to hold, but I'd guess yes, you'll get many clapping their hands and saying HELL YES!
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Do any GOPers here believe that they were right to refuse to appoint any nominee to this new agency?
    I believe the "by and with Advise and Consent of the Senate" clause gives them the right.

    The point of which is to prevent the Executive from gaining power. In this specific case, the Legislature granted the power of the position.

    Why the previous Legislature didn't consent is beyond me.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I believe the "by and with Advise and Consent of the Senate" clause gives them the right.....
    "by advise & consent of the Senate", doesn't mean you can refuse every single nominee because you don't like the new agency.

    they are abusing their power, and Obama played a better hand.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Do any GOPers here believe that they were right to refuse to appoint any nominee to this new agency?

    Abso-freakin'-lutely.!!!!!!


    I give you Senator Hatch:

    The president stepped off his tour bus in Kansas this week and said that, "We shouldn't be weakening oversight and accountability. We should be strengthening oversight and accountability." Which is why I'm mystified that the president refuses to bring much-needed oversight and accountability to the massive new bureaucracy created under the onerous Dodd-Frank law that established the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB).

    Today the Senate will consider a nominee to head this agency. While I have no problem with the nominee, I do have problems with the structure of this new bureaucracy, which lacks critical transparency and which, with only minor bipartisan effort, can easily be reformed. Regrettably, the president has chosen to play politics rather than so much as placing a telephone call to Congress.

    This new bureaucracy possesses massive and wide-ranging powers to regulate any person or business offering or selling a "financial product or service" used by Americans without adequate checks, balances, oversight, or accountability.

    The CFPB has been given unprecedented authority over financial institutions and Main Street businesses offering financial services. Once confirmed, whoever becomes the CFPB director essentially answers to no one and cannot be removed even for poor performance, including unbalanced regulations.

    It also has been given significant power to regulate, but there's no check and balance if those regulations go too far.

    Furthermore, the CFPB is funded directly by the Federal Reserve -- not through the standard congressionally approved spending process. That means little to no oversight of this new bureaucracy.

    Time For Accountability At The CFPB

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    "by advise & consent of the Senate", doesn't mean you can refuse every single nominee because you don't like the new agency.

    they are abusing their power, and Obama played a better hand.

    Obama may have broken the law.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Obama may have broken the law.

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    which law?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Abso-freakin'-lutely.!!!!!!...
    the proper way to fix an agency that you feel is poorly constructed, is to pass a new law fixing it.

    filibustering EVERY nominee to head the agency, is an abuse of the filibuster & Senate approval process.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    don't you get it? when Conservative Republicans do things...its good.

    when Liberal Democrats do it...its bad. No matter what the thing is.
    According to Liberals. According to Conservatives it is the exact opposite. Very few seem able to see a situation for what it is. Both sides refuse to accept fault or blame except when it is blatant. Both sides go out of their way to attack the other side.

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