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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    when the GOP engages in extraordinary pettyness, an extraordinary response by the POTUS is warranted.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Obama did it because he is a massive fail. He has the lowest approvals of any President at this point in their first term. His hallmark legislation, Obamacare, is going down in flames. Debt out the whazoo. So its "Blame the rich. Blame Congress. It wasn't me who farted."

    Massive fail.
    i asked this question in another thread on this topic, during the last week, were their enough members of the senate present to form a quorum? to conduct official business? if the answer is no, then, imo, just having someone gavel the senate 'in' and 'out' does not constitute the senate being in session, and if there are not enough members present, then, imo, the senate is in recess.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i asked this question in another thread on this topic, during the last week, were their enough members of the senate present to form a quorum? to conduct official business? if the answer is no, then, imo, just having someone gavel the senate 'in' and 'out' does not constitute the senate being in session, and if there are not enough members present, then, imo, the senate is in recess.
    The answer is no. There was one person present for the sole purpose of maintaining the illusion of not being in session.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i asked this question in another thread on this topic, during the last week, were their enough members of the senate present to form a quorum? to conduct official business? if the answer is no, then, imo, just having someone gavel the senate 'in' and 'out' does not constitute the senate being in session, and if there are not enough members present, then, imo, the senate is in recess.
    According to the Senate's own rules, they invented the pro-forma session to satisfy the Constitutional requirement that neither chamber can go on Recess without the approval of the other chamber, and the Senate must conduct business every 3 days.

    As stated before, pro-forma sessions, on a three day interval, have been held every year as long as I can see( thomas.gov only has records back to 1989 ).

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Democrats opposed Bolton because of Bolton -- not because they objected to the UN. His service was an embarrassment to the United States.
    Perino said that among Bolton’s accomplishments, he assembled coalitions addressing North Korea’s nuclear activity, Iran’s uranium enrichment and reprocessing work and the horrific violence in Darfur. She said he also made reform at the United Nations a top issue because the United States is searching for a more “credible” and more “effective.”

    “Ambassador Bolton served his country with distinction and he achieved a great deal at the United Nations,”
    Perino said.

    “Despite the support of a strong bipartisan majority of senators, Ambassdor Bolton’s confirmation was blocked by a Democratic filibuster, and this is a clear example of the breakdown in the Senate confirmation process,” she said.

    Bolton quits as U.N. ambassador - politics - msnbc.com

    Bolton had a positive record at the UN. You libs don't like him because he didn't take any ****.

    Again, show me where in the Constitution it says that Congress has the right to filibuster a nominee. Then show me where in the Constitution it says that Congress can filibuster a nominee when they aren't even in session.
    Again, I point you to Section 5...

    Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

    Senate Explanation:


    The Senate and House each sets its own rules...
    and then

    Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.

    Senate explanation:

    This section was included to prevent either chamber from blocking legislation through its refusal to meet. Each chamber takes very seriously its independence of the other body. To avoid having to ask the other chamber for permission to adjourn, the Senate and House simply conduct pro forma (as a matter of form) sessions to meet the three-day constitutional requirement. No business is conducted at these sessions, which generally last for less than one minute.

    U.S. Senate: Reference Home > Constitution of the United States
    Now as to the filibuster, The senate sets the rules, do I really need educate you as to the rules in place allowing this?

    The demo's had no problem using it on Bush appointees.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i asked this question in another thread on this topic, during the last week, were their enough members of the senate present to form a quorum? to conduct official business? if the answer is no, then, imo, just having someone gavel the senate 'in' and 'out' does not constitute the senate being in session, and if there are not enough members present, then, imo, the senate is in recess.

    However, it was just fine and dandy when demo's used it against Bush nominations eh? What a hypocrite!


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    According to the Senate's own rules, they invented the pro-forma session to satisfy the Constitutional requirement that neither chamber can go on Recess without the approval of the other chamber, and the Senate must conduct business every 3 days.

    As stated before, pro-forma sessions, on a three day interval, have been held every year as long as I can see( thomas.gov only has records back to 1989 ).
    i understand that this has been done for awhile now, but, if it goes to scotus, imo, they should rule that the use of this tactic is for no other reason than to circumvent the President's ability to make recess appointments...just having someone there to gavel the senate 'in', when there are not enough senators present to constitute a quorum, is not a legal session of that body...if they can't conduct official business, and enough members of the body can't be mustered to form a quorum, then the senate is not in session, and is in recess.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    The only people who gave John Bolton good reviews in his brief and notorious term and UN Ambassador were Fox News and the rest of the flat earth isolationists. Bolton was reviled everywere else. He had a reputation for yelling at his staffers, undermining agreements he negotiated at the last minute, and, of course, the jingoistic rhetoric so beloved by the American talk radio audience.

    By the end of Bolton's term, the US delegation was generally ignored by the rest of the world, mainly because of its reputation for dealing in bad faith and ideological obstructionism. Neither Condi Rice nor Bolton were missed, when they left, and neither recieved anything like a warm send off from their colleagues and counterparts.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i understand that this has been done for awhile now, but, if it goes to scotus, imo, they should rule that the use of this tactic is for no other reason than to circumvent the President's ability to make recess appointments...just having someone there to gavel the senate 'in', when there are not enough senators present to constitute a quorum, is not a legal session of that body...if they can't conduct official business, and enough members of the body can't be mustered to form a quorum, then the senate is not in session, and is in recess.
    If that's the the way this falls out, I'm ok with it. But, SCOTUS would have to define "recess" in rigid terms, because if they don't, everytime the Senate goes home to sleep is a recess.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    The only people who gave John Bolton good reviews in his brief and notorious term and UN Ambassador were Fox News and the rest of the flat earth isolationists. Bolton was reviled everywere else. He had a reputation for yelling at his staffers, undermining agreements he negotiated at the last minute, and, of course, the jingoistic rhetoric so beloved by the American talk radio audience.

    By the end of Bolton's term, the US delegation was generally ignored by the rest of the world, mainly because of its reputation for dealing in bad faith and ideological obstructionism. Neither Condi Rice nor Bolton were missed, when they left, and neither recieved anything like a warm send off from their colleagues and counterparts.

    So, the uber libs, and thugs at the UN with their anti Israel, anti American agendas have to like the US Ambassador for him or her to be a success in representing America?

    That's laughable.


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