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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Nope. The issue with the czars was that they were not confirmed by the Senate. This is simply the GOP not liking a Consumer Protection board and trying to do an end run to gut it.

    Kind of a weasly thing.
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    Politely disagree...

    With which part, C?
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Obama did it because he is a massive fail. He has the lowest approvals of any President at this point in their first term. His hallmark legislation, Obamacare, is going down in flames. Debt out the whazoo. So its "Blame the rich. Blame Congress. It wasn't me who farted."

    Massive fail.
    Take off the wingnut goggles. Truman's approval rating was lower at the same point in his first term. Obamacare is not going to be repealed. He is dealing with the historic clusterfeck that the Republicans oozed on his doorstep as well as anyone could.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Look yourself, or be a lazy lib. The Constitution empowers Congress to make its own rules by which it conducts business.
    It does not empower Congress to alter reality. If all but one of your members are out of town and you cannot conduct business, you are in recess.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    If Boehner or somebody wants to take it to court they're free to, but I can tell you right now, the court will say it's ok. The clear purpose of the recess appointments clause it to enable the president to ensure that vacancies in key positions get filled promptly to avoid disrupting the government's ability to function. That is exactly what it is being used for and the courts won't let some technicality the legislature cooked up trump the clear intention of the constitution. The advice and consent requirement is there to make sure that the legislature gets input into the process, not as a level they can use to try to disable the federal government.

    Yup, that's it in a nutshell. Except I'm not certain how the courts would rule. I think you've got it right, and Bush's former lawyers issued an opinion in 2010 saying the same, but .... who knows! That is what is fascinating to me. Will the gimmick win out, or the substance win out?
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    A few questions for all of you whining about the Republicans gaming the rules...why didnt Harry Reid bang the gavel and present the topic of the appointee for debate? You dont need cloture to debate a topic, only to close it. If this guy wasnt going to pass Senate approval, why didnt Obama present someone else? Yes the I agree the President can nominate anyone he wants, but if he knows the person in question isnt going pass, hes wasting his time and the Senate's.

    So...why not?


    Something else I dont understand, for some 18months, treasury had tons of openings, but no takers. How is this appointment suddenly so important that Obama couldnt at least TRY the nomination process before going all out?

    Re-election...thats why.

    Because the GOP has stated that they will not allow a vote for ANYONE to the post. They're trying to kill via filibuster an agency that that was lawfully created.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Because the GOP has stated that they will not allow a vote for ANYONE to the post. They're trying to kill via filibuster an agency that that was lawfully created.
    has this ever happened before?

    it seems like what the GOP is doing is bringing stupidity & pettyness to a new height.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You misspoke. In any case, Recess Appointments are a sham, and have been for years, as they are now done not because Congress is gone for 4 months or more at a time, and in many cases once being a 30 day horse ride from a distant district. They are done now to avoid the Senate. The Senate retained one rule to compel negotiation.

    Obama trashed the Constitution ........... again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Bolton was not appointed during a 3-day gavel session. Further, reviews on Bolton's term were good.

    Whether the GOP pursues this in Court remains to be seen. They will not make it a primary election issue though, as it will not resonate with most voters. Obama, on the other hand, did this solely to try to blame Congress for his failures. He's an inept clown, "but its someone else's fault". He is pure scumbag.

    So which is it, the recess appt of Bolton was good, or was a sham meant to deny the Senate its Constitutional right of advise and consent?
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    has this ever happened before?

    it seems like what the GOP is doing is bringing stupidity & pettyness to a new height.

    No, not before the GOP. Although the GOP have not just done it with the Consumer Board, they also did it with the NLRB. They said they will not confirm anyone to the board, in order to deny it a legal quorum, so that it cannot conduct its business.

    The NLRB is the other agency to which Obama made recess appointments yesterday. Both instances were because the GOP was using extra-legal efforts to kill agencies, by bypassing the legislative process.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    No, not before the GOP. Although the GOP have not just done it with the Consumer Board, they also did it with the NLRB. They said they will not confirm anyone to the board, in order to deny it a legal quorum, so that it cannot conduct its business.

    The NLRB is the other agency to which Obama made recess appointments yesterday. Both instances were because the GOP was using extra-legal efforts to kill agencies, by bypassing the legislative process.
    when the GOP engages in extraordinary pettyness, an extraordinary response by the POTUS is warranted.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    This is one issue I will always have a problem with. I do not care which party is the culprit, obstructionist tactics are unacceptable. Everyone should get an up or down vote to prevent these sideshow distractions.

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