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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and the Republicans are abusing their power & playing games with the Senate.

    how are they "abusing" their power any differently than harry reid did when he first contrived this practice during the dicknbush regime?
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    From senate.gov

    pro forma session - A brief meeting (sometimes only several seconds) of the Senate in which no business is conducted. It is held usually to satisfy the constitutional obligation that neither chamber can adjourn for more than three days without the consent of the other.


    Which, based on their own definition, is required since they aren't on formal recess.

    Hell, its a published schedule for every three days.( again, senate.gov ).

    FRIDAY, JANUARY 6, 2012

    The Senate will convene at 11:00 AM and will conduct a Pro Forma Session.

    The Senate will then conduct Pro Forma Sessions on the following dates:
    Tuesday, January 10, 2012 at 11:00 AM.
    Friday, January 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM.
    Tuesday, January 17, 2012 at 10:15 AM.
    Friday, January 20, 2012 at 2:00 PM.

    The Senate will next convene for business on Monday, January 23, 2012 at 2:00 PM. There will be in a period of Morning Business for two hours. At 4:00 PM, the Senate will proceed to an Executive Session to consider the nomination of Cal. #438 (John Gerrard to United States District Judge for the District of Nebraska). There will 90 minutes of debate on the nomination followed by a vote on confirmation at 5:30 PM. On Tuesday, January 24, 2012 at 2:15 PM, the Senate will have a cloture vote on the Motion to Proceed to S. 968 ( Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act of 2011).

    Looks like his only window to try this would have been Jan. 17 from 12:01 am to 10:15 am. So why now? Is he intentionally picking a fight to use politically?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I am absolutely shocked that the Washington Post Editorial Board is defending Obama, and pushing his agenda openly...

    Or that they use Republican progressives from the Bush administration to in a weak assed attempt to justify their UNConstitutional move.

    Bradbury and Elwood can, and did that during Bush, but Bush decided to uphold his oath and preserve the Constitution and NOT do it.

    This really shows what libs think of our Constitution.


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    Agreed. We saw it with OWS. We see it now. The "Law be Damned" if it stands between a lib and getting something at the expense of others.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The Dems blocked Bush in the same way. In fact, they used the 3-day gavel process on occasion. Look it up.

    Try some links next time as well.
    You're correct in that the Democrats used the 3 day gavel process on one occassion. That being the nomination of John Bolton to be UN ambassador. Bush gave Bolton a recess appointment and Bolton proceeded to live right down to everyone's worst expectations.

    I won't argue that Obama is constitutionally correct on this. I suspect he knows as much about that as any of his advisors and critics. But he'll win the optics. Because the GOP will be forced to go to court to block a nominee and stymie the operation of an agency the public overwhelmingly supports.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Looks like his only window to try this would have been Jan. 17 from 12:01 am to 10:15 am. So why now? Is he intentionally picking a fight to use politically?

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    he has 220 other openings to be filled. that window of opportunity might be prime time to do it
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Agreed. We saw it with OWS. We see it now. The "Law be Damned" if it stands between a lib and getting something at the expense of others.
    you appear to believe that the GOP bears no responsibility for this mess.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Recess Appointments, when done to deny the ability of the Senate to Advise and Consent, are gimmicks already for chrissakes.

    It is Obama who avoided negotiating with the Senate.
    No, it's Obama going around the GOP's attempt to hold his nominee hostage in order to re fight a battle they lost in the Senate already.

    The Senate passed the bill that created the Consumer Protection Agency. Obama didn't have to go around it at all.

    The GOP is holding the nominee hostage in order to try and renegotiate the deal. And Obama's just snared them in their own trap (again).

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    You're correct in that the Democrats used the 3 day gavel process on one occassion. That being the nomination of John Bolton to be UN ambassador. Bush gave Bolton a recess appointment and Bolton proceeded to live right down to everyone's worst expectations.

    I won't argue that Obama is constitutionally correct on this. I suspect he knows as much about that as any of his advisors and critics. But he'll win the optics. Because the GOP will be forced to go to court to block a nominee and stymie the operation of an agency the public overwhelmingly supports.
    pro forma sessions have been held as far back as Thomas.gov supports searches( 1989 ). They are a normal occurrence to satisfy the three-day Constitutional rule.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    No, it's Obama going around the GOP's attempt to hold his nominee hostage in order to re fight a battle they lost in the Senate already.

    The Senate passed the bill that created the Consumer Protection Agency. Obama didn't have to go around it at all.

    The GOP is holding the nominee hostage in order to try and renegotiate the deal. And Obama's just snared them in their own trap (again).
    No, they aren't holding the nominee hostage. They don't want ANY director for this new agency, whatsoever. They have no intention of approving anyone, even if its Jesus Christ in the flesh.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you appear to believe that the GOP bears no responsibility for this mess.
    but what about the responsibility of the democrats when they came together with demo senate majority leader harry reid as he concocted this same practice to thwart dubya's ability to make recess appointments which could not get thru the congress
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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