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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    .................. it is quite obvious the republicans were taking actions contrary to their obligation to 'advise and consent'
    Recess Appointments, when done to deny the ability of the Senate to Advise and Consent, are gimmicks already for chrissakes.

    It is Obama who avoided negotiating with the Senate.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    So two wrongs make a right? Actually 3 wrongs in this case.

    The Repubs are doing the exact same thing the Democrats did in early 2000's.

    The Dems wouldnt even bring up for vote several appointees from the Bush administration, the Repubs are returning the favor....(wrong IMO)...but because the Repubs are doing exactly what the Dems did, NOW you are calling foul and saying the President doesnt have to follow the rules or the law?

    I love it when one side thinks the rules dont apply to them.
    I agree that the Dems did the same sort of thing under Bush, but the Republicans, as per usual, have taken it to a new level. In fact Bush should have done in '08 what Obama did yesterday. The fact that he didn't has caused major problems with over 500 NLRB decisions having been declared invalid because they were made when the board had too few members to form a quorum.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    with those ears that would be quite a soft landing

    let's watch the Obama administration argue they made those "recess" appointments to uphold the intent of the Constitutional language and ignored the gamesmanship (contrived originally by DEMO senate leader reid) played to pretend there was no actual "recess", intended only to thwart the provisions of the Constitution
    it is quite obvious the republicans were taking actions contrary to their obligation to 'advise and consent'
    The Republican's were doing nothing different than what demo's did during the Bush administration. And it was not Republicans that shredded the Constitution in this case.

    Obama may have had his own reasons for wanting to do what he did, but we don't have a dictatorship, or even a Monarchy. There are rules, and that is the Constitution, Obama just threw that out the window.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The Republican's were doing nothing different than what demo's did during the Bush administration. And it was not Republicans that shredded the Constitution in this case.

    Obama may have had his own reasons for wanting to do what he did, but we don't have a dictatorship, or even a Monarchy. There are rules, and that is the Constitution, Obama just threw that out the window.

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    Congress was in recess. The pro forma session was a sham and everyone knew it.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Congress was not in recess. That was a sham and everyone knew it.
    You misspoke. In any case, Recess Appointments are a sham, and have been for years, as they are now done not because Congress is gone for 4 months or more at a time, and in many cases once being a 30 day horse ride from a distant district. They are done now to avoid the Senate. The Senate retained one rule to compel negotiation.

    Obama trashed the Constitution ........... again.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.


    Well, I am absolutely shocked that the Washington Post Editorial Board is defending Obama, and pushing his agenda openly...

    Or that they use Republican progressives from the Bush administration to in a weak assed attempt to justify their UNConstitutional move.

    Bradbury and Elwood can, and did that during Bush, but Bush decided to uphold his oath and preserve the Constitution and NOT do it.

    This really shows what libs think of our Constitution.


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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Congress was in recess. The pro forma session was a sham and everyone knew it.
    From senate.gov

    pro forma session - A brief meeting (sometimes only several seconds) of the Senate in which no business is conducted. It is held usually to satisfy the constitutional obligation that neither chamber can adjourn for more than three days without the consent of the other.


    Which, based on their own definition, is required since they aren't on formal recess.

    Hell, its a published schedule for every three days.( again, senate.gov ).

    FRIDAY, JANUARY 6, 2012

    The Senate will convene at 11:00 AM and will conduct a Pro Forma Session.

    The Senate will then conduct Pro Forma Sessions on the following dates:
    Tuesday, January 10, 2012 at 11:00 AM.
    Friday, January 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM.
    Tuesday, January 17, 2012 at 10:15 AM.
    Friday, January 20, 2012 at 2:00 PM.

    The Senate will next convene for business on Monday, January 23, 2012 at 2:00 PM. There will be in a period of Morning Business for two hours. At 4:00 PM, the Senate will proceed to an Executive Session to consider the nomination of Cal. #438 (John Gerrard to United States District Judge for the District of Nebraska). There will 90 minutes of debate on the nomination followed by a vote on confirmation at 5:30 PM. On Tuesday, January 24, 2012 at 2:15 PM, the Senate will have a cloture vote on the Motion to Proceed to S. 968 ( Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act of 2011).

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    From senate.gov

    pro forma session - A brief meeting (sometimes only several seconds) of the Senate in which no business is conducted. It is held usually to satisfy the constitutional obligation that neither chamber can adjourn for more than three days without the consent of the other.


    Which, based on their own definition, is required since they aren't on formal recess.

    Hell, its a published schedule for every three days.( again, senate.gov ).

    FRIDAY, JANUARY 6, 2012

    The Senate will convene at 11:00 AM and will conduct a Pro Forma Session.

    The Senate will then conduct Pro Forma Sessions on the following dates:
    Tuesday, January 10, 2012 at 11:00 AM.
    Friday, January 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM.
    Tuesday, January 17, 2012 at 10:15 AM.
    Friday, January 20, 2012 at 2:00 PM.

    The Senate will next convene for business on Monday, January 23, 2012 at 2:00 PM. There will be in a period of Morning Business for two hours. At 4:00 PM, the Senate will proceed to an Executive Session to consider the nomination of Cal. #438 (John Gerrard to United States District Judge for the District of Nebraska). There will 90 minutes of debate on the nomination followed by a vote on confirmation at 5:30 PM. On Tuesday, January 24, 2012 at 2:15 PM, the Senate will have a cloture vote on the Motion to Proceed to S. 968 ( Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act of 2011).
    As I said -- it's a sham. One member is present. No business is being done, or can be done.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You misspoke. In any case, Recess Appointments are a sham, and have been for years, as they are now done not because Congress is gone for 4 months or more at a time, and in many cases once being a 30 day horse ride from a distant district. They are done now to avoid the Senate. The Senate retained one rule to compel negotiation.

    Obama trashed the Constitution ........... again.
    and the Republicans are abusing their power & playing games with the Senate.

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