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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    The appointment of Cordroy really has little or nothing to do with "keeping the government running".
    So his appointment was meaningless and unnecessary in the first place?
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Yet, we are supposed to then put faith in such as a Czar again ? Which is less transparent ? You do not fix broken government by adding more broken, and now less accountable, government.
    Making an agency answerable to Congress doesn't make them "more accountable" if the agency's job is to keep corporate abuses in check, it makes them less accountable. It would be unable to do anything about corporate abuses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    How did using the NLRB to harass Boeing work out ? That was one huge use of an agency solely for political gain. And how about our own DoJ and Fast and Furious ?
    Ah Fox News... Always good for a laugh. But, yeah, those are just Fox sensationalism of course.

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    An ELECTED one. In other words, actually accountable.

    The GOP wants to weaken or kill this agency, and they'll use any excuse to do it.
    So make it to where each member of the board must be chosen in the same way presidential appointies are chosen. Presidents chooses an appointee, Congress agree's/rejects.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Of course it would be accountable to Congress. Congress could overturn any of its decisions or even abolish it. Congress has plenary power.

    Not familiar with plenary power. But would put forward that your premise may be more theory than reality. Suspect that in the current state of Washington, the Democrats in Congress can shield the CFPB from any restraint the GOP may try to place on it.

    Potentially Obama has himself another one of those czar thingy's......


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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Making an agency answerable to Congress doesn't make them "more accountable" if the agency's job is to keep corporate abuses in check, it makes them less accountable. It would be unable to do anything about corporate abuses.
    Bullchit. How many agencies have so much power residing in one entity ? Not elected ? Not beholden to Congress ? Try "0".


    Ah Fox News... Always good for a laugh. But, yeah, those are just Fox sensationalism of course.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    I am reminded of an old John Prine lyric, "And all of the news just repeats itself. Like some forgotten dream."

    It just seems like yesterday when President Bush, I believe, made some political appointments using tactics deemed underhanded and shifty by the left. Or am I worng? Could it have been another president in recent history?

    So, I guess my question is, is the news really repeating itself or did I just forget a dream I had that makes all this appointment stuff sound really deja-vu-'ish?

    Guess folks aren't really that much different after all.

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Not correct. They will always have the power to remove via impeachment.

    The primary point I was making is recess appointments are powers vested in the president, but they are not granted the same length of duty as appointments approved in session, hence no power grab doing a recess appointment.
    Read the link I provided it explains the whole process.

    Secondly, they just cant impeach the appointee just for the sake, they would have had to break laws to be impeached.

    Lastly, this IS a power grab and an end around Congressional power. HE and Bush are/were power mongers and Presidents that pushed the Constitution to its limits (in my opinion shattering it completely on some issues).

    Even the President admits that if Congress says "NO" he wont accept that and he will do what he wants....thats not a President that is a Dictator.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    exactly. what the GOP was doing in the Senate was perfectly legal. as was Obama's move.

    however, I would argue that the proper and responsible way to express displeasure with a new agency, is try to muster the votes to either kill the agency or defund it.

    if you can't get enough votes to do that...then you should work towards that goal and not try to use parliamentary tricks to get your way.
    Seems you are noting one of the concerns/issue at hand. Congress can't defund something that they never funded in the first place.....eh?


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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post

    How did using the NLRB to harass Boeing work out ? That was one huge use of an agency solely for political gain.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Yet, we are supposed to then put faith in such as a Czar again ? Which is less transparent ? You do not fix broken government by adding more broken, and now less accountable, government.

    How did using the NLRB to harass Boeing work out ? That was one huge use of an agency solely for political gain. And how about our own DoJ and Fast and Furious ?

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