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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and that's why they did it.

    they don't have the votes to kill the agency, so they instead found a back-ass way of hobbling the new agency.

    if Republicans can use parliamentary tricks to play politics, then so can the Democrats.
    Parliamentary tricks aren't against the law.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Accountable? How is a board of appointees more accountable? Accountable is a code word for weak.
    And yet our Senate and Congress work in exactly the same fashion as a board. Hmm....
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Accountable? How is a board of appointees more accountable? Accountable is a code word for weak.
    Its listed earlier in the discussion. The new agency is funded by the Federal Reserve. Our Constitution was set up to give the House the power of the purse, and consequently, we the people, as those are the folks we can most often influence with our votes.

    Show me where you influence the Federal Reserve ? Ron Paul wants to abolish the damn thing, and I almost concur with him on that. In any case, show me how "we the people" have any influence at all over the FR. Thanks.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    they want an agency to have no director? that's pretty stupid.

    Get the impression that the goal of the GOP was to avoid having a large powerful new self funded bureau controlled by Obama that had no accountability to Congress. Am fairly sure that politics is also in the formula.

    btw.....The Director/CEO of many operations are often accountable to a Board of Directors. Not really a farfetched idea.


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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And yet our Senate and Congress work in exactly the same fashion as a board. Hmm....
    An ELECTED one. In other words, actually accountable.

    The GOP wants to weaken or kill this agency, and they'll use any excuse to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Get the impression that the goal of the GOP was to avoid having a large powerful new self funded bureau controlled by Obama that had no accountability to Congress.
    Of course it would be accountable to Congress. Congress could overturn any of its decisions or even abolish it. Congress has plenary power.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Its listed earlier in the discussion. The new agency is funded by the Federal Reserve. Our Constitution was set up to give the House the power of the purse, and consequently, we the people, as those are the folks we can most often influence with our votes.
    So your making up this new doctrine that any agency that doesn't get its funds directly from Congress is unconstitutional? Be careful, you might be shocked at how many other agencies out there are like that.

    Show me where you influence the Federal Reserve ?
    Show me where I influence any government agency.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    A couple of things...

    1- Somewhere out there Kal Stang has left a bitch with a stinging cheek from the back of his hand.
    2- Color me STUNNED when the only voice of consistent reason in...what...293 posts is Bubba??? It takes some stones for a very liberal person to take the position that...well...yeah...if it was wrong when bush did it it is wrong when Obama does it.
    3- For those playing the "well...it was RIGHT when Bush did it"...shut up...you reap what you sow. And for those liberals that were losing your ****ing minds when Bush did it (dont lie...you know you were) just remember...the worm always turns...and someday...when it is a GOP president doing it...go look in a mirror and punch yourself right in the nose. Hard.

    The appointment makes very little difference to me. Our country is 15.5 trillion in debt and the pres is about to jack that up another trillion...which means we blew through that last debt ceiling in what...4 months? The 'supercommittee of democrats and republicans couldnt agree on even the smallest reduction in DEFICIT spending over 10 years for gods sake. But seriously...you cant condone the use of force when it is Bush and then decry it when it is Obama and you cant bitch about abuse of presidential powers when it is Bush and then dance a celebratory jig when Obama does it. Wait...scratch that. You CAN...you just like like a total dumbass.

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Parliamentary tricks aren't against the law.
    exactly. what the GOP was doing in the Senate was perfectly legal.

    as was Obama's move.

    however, I would argue that the proper and responsible way to express displeasure with a new agency, is try to muster the votes to either kill the agency or defund it.

    if you can't get enough votes to do that...then you should work towards that goal and not try to use parliamentary tricks to get your way.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

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    I found a couple articles. It sounds like the reasons are actually technical, and complicated, but I think it's because he wasn't technically holding up debate, as he took to the floor when nothing else was scheduled. I think it was on a Friday, and the vote was scheduled for Monday.
    Ah, thanks. Interesting.

    ps - tell me about D'Amato and they typewriters! I don't know that story ....
    That was the last real filibuster, it seems.

    Second-longest solo filibuster in Senate history staged Oct. 5, 1992 - Andrew Glass - POLITICO.com
    On this day in 1992, Sen. Alfonse D’Amato (R-N.Y.) staged the second-longest solo filibuster in Senate history. D’Amato’s dusk-to-dawn talkathon was the first such nonstop event since the Senate inaugurated gavel-to-gavel televised coverage of its floor proceedings in 1986.

    The issue involved plans by Smith Corona, a typewriter maker, to move some 875 jobs from its upstate New York factory to Mexico to lower its wage base and help it compete against the lower-priced Japanese imports that had entered the market.

    Among other digressions in the course of his filibuster, which lasted 15 hours and 14 minutes, D’Amato sang “South of the Border (Down Mexico Way).” Had D’Amato spoken for another 17 minutes, he would have broken the record Sen. Huey Long (D-La.) set in 1935 when he conducted one of the most notable filibusters in Senate history — an effort that included his recipes for fried oysters and turnip-green pot liquor.

    So as not to interrupt other Senate business — a consideration that rarely arose in the filibusters of the pre-TV era — D’Amato began speaking around dinnertime and continued into the following morning. His ostensible object was to amend a pending $27 tax bill to lower the company’s incentive to move. He abandoned his quest after the House adjourned for the year, thereby dooming any chances that his amendment would be included in the final legislation.
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