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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    The appointment of Cordroy really has little or nothing to do with "keeping the government running".
    Of course it does. The appointment was necessary for the establishment of the Consumer Protection Bureau. It has been kept from running because of the blockage.

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Of course it does. The appointment was necessary for the establishment of the Consumer Protection Bureau. It has been kept from running because of the blockage.
    and that's why they did it.

    they don't have the votes to kill the agency, so they instead found a back-ass way of hobbling the new agency.

    if Republicans can use parliamentary tricks to play politics, then so can the Democrats.

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and that's why they did it.

    they don't have the votes to kill the agency, so they instead found a back-ass way of hobbling the new agency.

    if Republicans can use parliamentary tricks to play politics, then so can the Democrats.
    My understanding is that the Republicans were not trying to kill the agency. They were requiring structural changes in the bureau which would put a check on the amount of power it was grantiing itself and to Obama. Obama refused to accommodate those demands. Hence the standoff. Its Washington politics, but there are two sides to the story.



    "In May, 44 of the 47 Senate Republicans, including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.), sent a letter to Obama vowing to block any nominee to serve as director of the CFPB absent key changes, including eliminating the director's position in favor of a board and forcing the agency to be dependent on Congressionally appropriated funds for its operating budget."

    http://speier.house.gov/index.php?op...news&Itemid=15
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    "In May, 44 of the 47 Senate Republicans, including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.), sent a letter to Obama vowing to block any nominee to serve as director of the CFPB absent key changes, including eliminating the director's position in favor of a board and forcing the agency to be dependent on Congressionally appropriated funds for its operating budget."
    Personally I think that is perfectly reasonable to want. Why can't Obama compromise on it? Like I said before, he compromises on things that he shouldn't and he doesn't compromise on things that he should.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    absent key changes, including eliminating the director's position in favor of a board and forcing the agency to be dependent on Congressionally appropriated funds for its operating budget
    That is basically just a long winded way to say they want to kill it. A department that is answerable to Congress can't take on corporations. Given the amount of control corporations have over the entire political process, you would ideally want it to be as independent as humanly possible from the political process.

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    The Republicans were trying to kill the agency. They wanted a series of changes to the legislation that would have made it so weak, that every banker, businessman or con man with a friend in the US Chamber of Commerce could go to their congressmen and get anything the agency tried to do reversed.

    The wanted an agency that would be vulnurable to congressional and lobbyist pressure. Remember that this same group of Republicans are busy trying to undo what little finacial reform has taken place since the crash too.

    The Republicans wanted no agency at all, but short of that, they would take one they could bully and emasculate (and spend the next 30 years proposing to do away with).

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    ..."In May, 44 of the 47 Senate Republicans, including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.), sent a letter to Obama vowing to block any nominee to serve as director of the CFPB absent key changes, including eliminating the director's position in favor of a board and forcing the agency to be dependent on Congressionally appropriated funds for its operating budget."

    GOP Blocks Cordray, Limits CFPB
    they want an agency to have no director? that's pretty stupid.

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That is basically just a long winded way to say they want to kill it. A department that is answerable to Congress can't take on corporations. Given the amount of control corporations have over the entire political process, you would ideally want it to be as independent as humanly possible from the political process.
    Yet, we are supposed to then put faith in such as a Czar again ? Which is less transparent ? You do not fix broken government by adding more broken, and now less accountable, government.

    How did using the NLRB to harass Boeing work out ? That was one huge use of an agency solely for political gain. And how about our own DoJ and Fast and Furious ?

    Our system is for Representative government, not Czars. We just got screwed worse. BOHICA.

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    they want an agency to have no director? that's pretty stupid.
    Bull****. They wanted a board, so that not just one person, a Czar, could wield so much power and not be accountable.

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Bull****. They wanted a board, so that not just one person, a Czar, could wield so much power and not be accountable.
    Accountable? How is a board of appointees more accountable? Accountable is a code word for weak.
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