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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here's the key. There was NO pro-forma session that day.
    Yes there was. The day prior provided a window as used by Teddy Roosevelt. But the appointment would have run out at the end of 2012. This one now goes to the end of 2013.

    Obama went nuclear solely to try to pad his reelection campaign. He doesn't give a crap about the Republic. Just his being dick-tater (as in penis potato) in chief.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So you give no credence at all to the Occam's Razor hypothesis that the main purpose of making the appointment was to finally put someone in charge of the Consumer Protection Bureau? How said that we've all become so jaded.
    This is an interesting read

    POLITICO Huddle - POLITICO.com

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    “In one fell swoop, Obama managed to tap into voter frustration with Washington, distance himself from an unpopular Congress, buck up the liberal base and reassert himself as a latter-day Teddy Roosevelt, fighting for a “fair deal” for the middle class. He even stole some of the spotlight from Republicans a day after the Iowa caucuses. The way his advisers see it, it would have been political malpractice to do anything less than circumvent the Senate Republican minority, which blocked Cordray not because they found him unqualified but because they didn’t like the law that created the bureau. Republicans, in their view, gave Obama little choice.
    Three years after pledging a new era of post-partisan cooperation, President Barack Obama on Wednesday declared war with congressional Republicans by unilaterally installing his nominee to head a new consumer protection bureau. And the White House sees only political gold in doing so. Obama inflamed Washington Republicans by using a rarely invoked legal argument to appoint former Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray — a move ensuring that an irate Congress may truly do nothing this year except extend the payroll tax cut. … It was the latest milestone in Obama’s journey from bipartisan conciliator to partisan agitator, perhaps the starkest break to date from his campaign promises to change the tone in Washington
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    Kudos for Obama!!

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Well, no, he just wanted the damn agency to finally have someone in charge of it instead of waiting on the idiotic Senate to do its job.
    I shouldn't say entirely political. I mispoke. The appointment needed to happen, Republicans have become the new "do-nothing" Congress. I think this is a fight he is willing to have. He's not someone that generally will willy nilly thumb his nose at Republicans. I think for political purposes he probably is willing to have this fight.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I'd be interested in that. (I might be the only one who is!) Let me know what you find please.

    I remember D'Amato going at it for the typewriter makers or whatever back in 92.




    I found a couple articles. It sounds like the reasons are actually technical, and complicated, but I think it's because he wasn't technically holding up debate, as he took to the floor when nothing else was scheduled. I think it was on a Friday, and the vote was scheduled for Monday.



    Bernie Sanders Holds Old-School Filibuster Against Obama-GOP Tax Cut Deal
    By Stephanie Condon


    (snip ... )

    Sanders' efforts don't amount to a true filibuster, since he is not holding up any Senate debate, and there are no other senators wishing to speak. The Senate isn't scheduled to take up Mr. Obama's plan for a vote until Monday.

    "You can call what i am doing today whatever you want, you it call it a filibuster, you can call it a very long speech..." Sanders posted on Twitter today.

    Bernie Sanders Holds Old-School Filibuster Against Obama-GOP Tax Cut Deal - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    Is #Filibernie A Filibuster?
    Brian Beutler | December 10, 2010, 6:14PM


    The short answer is "no."

    The long answer is a (to most people) really boring history lesson about Senate rules, and the creation of "cloture."

    (snip ... )

    So even though what Sanders is doing now looks like a filibuster, and is in the spirit of the filibuster in its early days, and is what most laypeople think of when they hear the word "filibuster," it is not a filibuster. And it won't be unless he can keep Reid from rounding up 60 votes next week -- in which case he wouldn't need to be on the floor in the first place.

    Is #Filibernie A Filibuster? | Brian Beutler


    ps - tell me about D'Amato and they typewriters! I don't know that story ....
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    The GOP refuses to appoint ANYONE to be the head of this new financial agency. He could be the reincarnation of Milton Friedman or Ronald Reagan, and they would still say "no".

    And even more, they have a few guys show up to gavel in & out in the Senate, so technically its in session, preventing Obama from making a recess appointment.

    Clearly, the GOP is playing juvenile games with our government. So Obama said "no more games".

    I am proud of Obama for doing what he did. He finally showed balls.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Spare me your being ignorant as to process. Bolton was not appointed in contradiction to standard recess protocols.
    And who exactly started the contradiction to "standard recess proticols"? It was the Republicans in the House who decided to game the system by "staying in session" when they really were in recess.
    Obama simply called their bluff and stood up for his rights as President. Taking away a Presidents rights is not standard protocol is it?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    This is an interesting read

    POLITICO Huddle - POLITICO.com

    Some parts I found interesting
    Good find. I agree wholeheartedly. It took three years for Obama's testicles to descend, but it appears that he's finally gotten the message that there is absolutely no benefit to trying to placate Republicans; they are going to oppose him no matter what he does.

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And the even bigger issue is why the Senate can't just take a damn vote on appointees instead of either opposing everyone Obama sends over (this is his second try with the consumer agency) or putting holds on nominees as bargaining chips on sometimes completely unrelated issues. If the Senate would at least hold votes, let alone actually confirm some of these people, the president wouldn't have to do all this recess appointing stuff just to keep the government functioning.

    The appointment of Cordroy really has little or nothing to do with "keeping the government running". And the GOP has no corner on the market for blocking appointments. Both parties are quite experienced at the game......


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