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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    how about this? Obama promises no more recess appointments if the GOP allows folks to get their up or down vote.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I'm no fan of the GOP, but they kinda do have cause to gripe. Should it come to a court case, I kinda think they'd lose, but the 'pro forma session' of Congress to block recess appts has been used in the past. Interesting that noone ever felt like challenging it before. I find the fight that Obama chose to pick over this fascinating.
    I don't think it's a big deal....but I do think it's entirely political. I think he wants that new department in the news. He wants the Republicans to be angry that he's appointed someone to head a department that protects consumers. I think it's an easy way to try to portray Republicans as the protector of banks and him as looking out for the little guy.

    He also picked someone that's very respectable. He didn't pick a bomb thrower like Warren.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here is the best take i have found on the matter of recess appointments:
    http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...B%20P%20%20%0A

    it would seem harry reid initiated a process to impair bush's opportunity to effect recess appointments which the republicans have now turned against Obama
    will be interesting how this will play our. my speculation is that Obama is going to have to ask for forgiveness instead of permission
    his recess appointments may very possibly be found unConstitutional
    I've seen that report, it's interesting. The last parts, starting on page 7, about whether or not Congress can prevent recess appts with pro forma sessions outlines the recent attempts by Congress to do this, but not whether or not the pro forma sessions would stand a constitutional test in court.

    It's all fascinating to me.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And the even bigger issue is why the Senate can't just take a damn vote on appointees instead of either opposing everyone Obama sends over (this is his second try with the consumer agency) or putting holds on nominees as bargaining chips on sometimes completely unrelated issues. If the Senate would at least hold votes, let alone actually confirm some of these people, the president wouldn't have to do all this recess appointing stuff just to keep the government functioning.

    cuz the Senate is broken.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Congress has an approval rating of 9%, is that how low do the Reps. set the bar? They are working for the 9% who approve of their behavior?
    If people are tired of government they win. Their whole platform is government sucks, those guys in Washington are idiots.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Actually, no, they do not have to force the filibustering side to hold the floor. That is how it SHOULD work, but it doesn't. There is no longer any such thing as a filibuster like you may have remembered from movies, or from history books. It's all bull****, and it's the reason the Senate is broken.
    Kind of funny sounding - the Senate can't function because of the LACK of the filibuster. But you're right.

    (Bernie Sanders did do a real filibuster in a few years back btw).
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Kind of funny sounding - the Senate can't function because of the LACK of the filibuster. But you're right.

    (Bernie Sanders did do a real filibuster in a few years back btw).

    He did. And it was per their rules, not actually a real filibuster. Shows just how screwed up the Senate is ...
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    They cant stop anyone from being appointed, they are the minority party in the Senate. They cant even hold up the nomination in committee...they dont chair it.

    51 votes gets the nomination and with Biden to break any tie, they are as good as confirmed.
    Except it takes 60 votes to prevent a filibuster, not 51.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I don't think it's a big deal....but I do think it's entirely political. I think he wants that new department in the news. He wants the Republicans to be angry that he's appointed someone to head a department that protects consumers. I think it's an easy way to try to portray Republicans as the protector of banks and him as looking out for the little guy.

    He also picked someone that's very respectable. He didn't pick a bomb thrower like Warren.
    I was gonna like your post until you called Liz a bomb thrower .

    Elizabeth Warren is simply awesome.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    He did. And it was per their rules, not actually a real filibuster. Shows just how screwed up the Senate is ...
    No, it was real. He just snuck it in. A filibuster is allowed under the rules, it's just that nobody bothers any more, and nobody bothers to give anyone the opportunity either (they just do cloture votes).

    It was 8 1/2 hours.
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