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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Constitutionally, Obama did nothing illegal. Was it kosher? Nope. He violated a long-standing gentleman's agreement, but when the other side are not being gentlemen, I don't see how you should also be. The GOP took off the gloves the minutes Obama took office. Now Obama has a backbone, and Republicans are crying, just like the schoolyard bully who goes crying home to mommy after someone finally fights back and bloodies his nose.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its not a power grab, when the GOP refuses to allow the appointment of ANYONE to head an agency.

    when such extreme circumstances exist, extreme solutions are needed.
    They cant stop anyone from being appointed, they are the minority party in the Senate. They cant even hold up the nomination in committee...they dont chair it.

    51 votes gets the nomination and with Biden to break any tie, they are as good as confirmed.

    Personally, in this instance, I think that this administration just doesnt want these people scrutinized over.

    But most of all, I dont like recess appointments if it is not an emergency situation.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Sorry, you're mistaken. Recess appts are not subject to confirmation. They are good until the end of the next full session of Congress, and then expire, unless the Pres nominates them to continue in the post, and the Senate confirms.
    not really. An appointment approved by congress last a heck of alot longer then till the end of the calendar year, so Congress still has quite a bit of power in regards to an in recess appointment.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    True, but the relative fact is that Obama had the needed majority, or more than close enough to it such that he only had to peal a RINO or two, and he has less filibusters to contend with, and/or more opportunity to invoke cloture. This is the primary factor in the graph fluctuations noted.
    You continue to show your ignorance. There was a period of 4 months where the Dems had 58 votes plus 2 independents and Congress was only in session for 3 weeks of that. Obama has had a RECORD high number of filibusters against his legislation not less as you continue to inaccurately state.
    Actually the DEMS NEVER had a super majority with only 58 Democrat votes, Lieberman, one of the Independents supposedly part of the Dems votes, was a speaker at the Republican Convention and supported McCain for Pres.!
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    They cant stop anyone from being appointed, they are the minority party in the Senate. They cant even hold up the nomination in committee...they dont chair it.

    51 votes gets the nomination and with Biden to break any tie, they are as good as confirmed.

    Personally, in this instance, I think that this administration just doesnt want these people scrutinized over.

    But most of all, I dont like recess appointments if it is not an emergency situation.

    I agree with your last statement, but the rest is inaccurate. Filibusters stop a nomination, and the GOP said they would confirm noone to the post, b/c they don't like the agency. It has nothing to do with not wanting the nominees scrutinized, and everything to do with an end run around a lawfully created agency b/c they just don't like it.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    not really. An appointment approved by congress last a heck of alot longer then till the end of the calendar year, so Congress still has quite a bit of power in regards to an in recess appointment.
    The Congress has no power w/ regard to recess appts. Yes, a duly confirmed nominee is not restricted to serving only until the end of the next full session of Congress, however, that is neither here nor there with regard to the false claim that Congress has the power to throw out recess appts (they don't), or your claim that Congress has quite a bit of power with regards to a recess appt (they don't).
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    not really. An appointment approved by congress last a heck of alot longer then till the end of the calendar year, so Congress still has quite a bit of power in regards to an in recess appointment.
    jackalope is correct. Congressional approved nominations are for the full term of the appointment, recess appointments are only good until the end of that Congressional session.

    I do believe there is a process that Congress can use to remove the recess appointee. Im still researching that.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    there are not enough ways I can express how much I Like this post.
    I still don't support Obama, but I can see how Democrats should be ruthless. After all, Republicans have also been ruthless, and they have been ruthless for many years. It's called fighting fire with fire. Scorched earth? Republicans are famous for that, so they are in no position to complain when Democrats do it too. The GOP reaped what it sowed. Does it make it right? No, which is why I support neither major party. It's all BS, and on both sides, but Republicans have no cause to gripe. It was they who started the war, and they should stop being crybabies just because it doesn't sometimes go their way.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I agree with your last statement, but the rest is inaccurate. Filibusters stop a nomination, and the GOP said they would confirm noone to the post, b/c they don't like the agency. It has nothing to do with not wanting the nominees scrutinized, and everything to do with an end run around a lawfully created agency b/c they just don't like it.
    They can filabuster the vote and delay it, but they can not stop it. All Harry Reid has to do is call the vote, the Repubs can only hold the floor for so long until the vote comes up.
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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    The Congress has no power w/ regard to recess appts. Yes, a duly confirmed nominee is not restricted to serving only until the end of the next full session of Congress, however, that is neither here nor there with regard to the false claim that Congress has the power to throw out recess appts (they don't), or your claim that Congress has quite a bit of power with regards to a recess appt (they don't).
    the recess appointment position is automatically vacated if they don't approve it by the end of the session, but I believe they can vote to reject at any time during the session.

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