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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    The Senate has the power to throw out recess appointments? Where do they derive this power from?
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I'm pretty sure that other Presidents have made appointments the opposition didn't like. My point is that they think they can get away with these "parlor tricks" because in their eyes, Obama is not white enough to be President. It is part of a pattern that has been going on since his 1st State of the Union address. I am sick of it and someone needs to call them on it.
    Yes, but we haven't had a polarized congress like this before. Look I gave you the sane and logical reasons. If you want to believe in the bat-sh*t crazy excuse of "It's because he's black", then be my guest. The rest of us will take a sane and logical approach to this.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I would like to point out....the last time we had a Congress this Conservative with a Liberal President they impeached him. Just sayin, if anything the Conservatives in this country have went from respectable to batshi* crazy. I don't think it's race.
    You do have a point there, but Clinton made recess appointments. But why do they think they can push Obama around even more than him?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce
    Obama is the only President on the chart that had a super-majority in the Senate for any time at all. And he had it for two years.
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    Do you realize that Obama had 60 Democrats in the Senate in his first two years ? LOL ......... if he didn't get an appointment then, it was Dems blocking .... sheeeesh
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    Same to you. Obama had a super majority in the Senate for his first two years. You get your appointments that way. You also get fiasco's like Obamacare.
    Uh, no he didn't.

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    Re: Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Believe the jury is still out on that one. Am guessing it will be the courts who decide if Obama has such rights.....

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Again, do you not understand the effect of a super-majority in the Senate ?
    Yes, that's why I posted the graph. But first let's be clear: Democrats do not presently have a super majority and haven't had one since Teddy Kennedy was healthy enough to actually appear on the Senate floor.

    That said, even if you have a super majority it doesn't allow the President to avoid recess appointments unless he has 100% support from every member of his party, which is anything but automatic.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT
    This is a blatant attempt to prevent the lawfully passed law from coming into effect and that is a clear abuse of their advise and consent authority.
    Exactly!! Quite similar to the unprecedented act of holding the raising the debt ceiling hostage for other demands (rather than the usual 'up or down'...funny how the cons have lost that chant)
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, that's why I posted the graph. But first let's be clear: Democrats do not presently have a super majority and haven't had one since Teddy Kennedy was healthy enough to actually appear on the Senate floor.

    That said, even if you have a super majority it doesn't allow the President to avoid recess appointments unless he has 100% support from every member of his party, which is anything but automatic.
    True, but the relative fact is that Obama had the needed majority, or more than close enough to it such that he only had to peal a RINO or two, and he has less filibusters to contend with, and/or more opportunity to invoke cloture. This is the primary factor in the graph fluctuations noted.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You do have a point there, but Clinton made recess appointments. But why do they think they can push Obama around even more than him?
    Bad economy, low approval ratings, Tea Party support, I don't know but they see their victory last electiong as vindication for their behavior.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    True, but the relative fact is that Obama had the needed majority, or more than close enough to it such that he only had to peal a RINO or two, and he has less filibusters to contend with, and/or more opportunity to invoke cloture. This is the primary factor in the graph fluctuations noted.
    Not sure what you're saying. He's had about 100% more filibusters to contend with than the next closest president. He's also had to contend with a highly polarized minority that is generally more concerned with defeating him than it is with helping the country. Partisanship has always been a factor in our system, but it's far more prevalent today than it has been in my memory.

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