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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Show me where that is how the process is to work ? Are you saying that the Founders did not understand, and anticipate, politics ? The GOP was using their Constitutional Powers to stymie what they saw as Executive overreach. That is a perfectly proper political concern.
    The bill passed the freaking Legislative branch. Please show me where appointing someone to a position that was created via the legislative process is executive over reach!
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Show me where that is how the process is to work ? Are you saying that the Founders did not understand, and anticipate, politics ? The GOP was using their Constitutional Powers to stymie what they saw as Executive overreach. That is a perfectly proper political concern.
    Appointing the head of a duly created agency was "executive overreach"? On what planet?

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It can't be denied that there is a level of hypocrisy involved, but in my opinion this is not an apples/apples comparison. Democrats blocked Bush appointees because they objected to the nominees, which is the purpose of the advice and consent process. Republicans were blocking Cordray not because they objected to him, but because they objected to the existence of the agency to which he had been appointed. They made no bones about that, stating quite clearly that they would not approve ANY nominee unless or until Democrats agreed to amend that law that had already passed by a super majority. That was an improper use of the advice and consent power and it is is the main distinction between what Democrats did and what Republicans were trying to do.

    Since Democrats took back the Senate Republicans have abused the rules of the Senate to an unprecedented extent. For the good of the country, I would hope that Democrats rise above that level if the Republicans should retake the Senate, but I can't say I'm sanguine about the prospects.
    In other words, a Senate recess is now defined by an empty room, and now we get to add how we feel when laws are applied. Amazing logic, and thanks for the awesome precedent.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And do you think the founding fathers had the intent that congress was in session if a gavel was hit and so called in session for 40 seconds? I don't think so.

    The GOP was playing games and got called on it. Look, you guys want to be in session, then have it really be in session and not this mickey mouse games.
    The Senate is in recess when the room is empty. Got it.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    In other words, a Senate recess is now defined by an empty room, and now we get to add how we feel when laws are applied. Amazing logic, and thanks for the awesome precedent.
    do you think the founding fathers considered a senate in session if it was done for only 40 seconds? I don't think so. The GOP was playing games and nothing more.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    In other words, a Senate recess is now defined by an empty room, and now we get to add how we feel when laws are applied. Amazing logic, and thanks for the awesome precedent.
    Sure, and a session lasts 40 seconds with one guy beating a gavel.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    In other words, a Senate recess is now defined by an empty room, and now we get to add how we feel when laws are applied. Amazing logic, and thanks for the awesome precedent.
    In fact a recess should be defined by reality -- not parlor tricks designed to circumvent the rules. Likewise, laws are laws when they are passed by Congress and signed by the President. The Constitution does not grant the Senate a second, sore losers bite at the apple because they are unhappy with the law that they passed.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The Senate is in recess when the room is empty. Got it.
    And to you an empty room with one guy, a gavel, and 40 seconds is considered in session, got it.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure, and a session lasts 40 seconds with one guy beating a gavel.
    And that's the way its been done for years. If you have a problem with the current Senate doing pro-forma sessions, perhaps you should complain to the Senator Reed, ya know, the majority leader.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    And that's the way its been done for years. If you have a problem with the current Senate doing pro-forma sessions, perhaps you should complain to the Senator Reed, ya know, the majority leader.
    I'm not complaining, the appointments happened. You're the one complaining.
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