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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The GOP doesn't want the appointment because they feel, as I do, that the CFPB is a duplication of already existing functions of the federal government, most notably the FTC and SEC.
    And again, that isn't a good enough reason. If they don't like it, wait till they are elected and abolish it then. However, this little temper tantrum the GOP is throwing is proving disfunctionality on a whole new level.

    It looks like Obama found a way around that. I don't agree with it, but then I don't agree with the GOP blocking just because they don't like it.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The shortest recess during which a presidential appointment has been made in the past 20 years was 10 days, according to CRS.

    Here is a nice summary of what the issue is

    What is a recess appointment? - The Federal Eye - The Washington Post
    Funny, the justification and definition of "recess" the WH is using to justify this basically opens up the possibility for recess appointments on any weekend of the year. Basically, the WH is saying that since there isn't anyone there, they're on recess. The Senate is empty on most weekends. This has potential to set a pretty dangerous precedent if allowed to stand which it likely won't. Pretty much unconstitutional.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And again, that isn't a good enough reason. If they don't like it, wait till they are elected and abolish it then. However, this little temper tantrum the GOP is throwing is proving disfunctionality on a whole new level.

    It looks like Obama found a way around that. I don't agree with it, but then I don't agree with the GOP blocking just because they don't like it.
    Again, if you go and look at the original intent of Recess Appointments, as construed by the Founders, they make sense. It is the Executive, through the decades, that abused such to get around the Constitutional function of the Senate to block any appointment it chooses. It is the Executive that bastardized the process. However, the Legislative retained one option to prevent such abuse by the Executive, again as per the letter of the law.

    Now Obama has just disregarded such. Done what NO PRESIDENT IN HISTORY HAS EVER DONE BEFORE. See the link in the prior post.

    Its amazing with the libs. Its OK to break the rules when your guy is the one doing it. W never did it. Clinton never did it. Neither Elder Bush, Reagan, etc.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Funny, the justification and definition of "recess" the WH is using to justify this basically opens up the possibility for recess appointments on any weekend of the year. Basically, the WH is saying that since there isn't anyone there, they're on recess. The Senate is empty on most weekends. This has potential to set a pretty dangerous precedent if allowed to stand which it likely won't. Pretty much unconstitutional.
    That's exactly what I was pointing out. Not only that, when the doors close and they go home for the night, they are on recess.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Obama laid out his cards, he's abusing the system, spitting on the system all to score political points for his re-election. "See I HAD to act and now look they are trying to hurt you!" is going to be his stance. It's crass, it's dangerous, for ****s sake we look like a Banana Republic atm with **** like this going on.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Yes, that is the point!

    The GOP and its Wall Street masters do not want a Consumer Protection Agency, and want to use the GOP congress to gut the agency's powers before it even gets started. The structure of the Consumer Protection Agency is deliberatly modeled on the FTC, in order to prevent the pay to play boys in Congress from interfering with the agency over every issue that K Street is paid to fight.

    This is going to court. And since there is no regulation, provision or Constitutional requirement for any waiting period at all for a recess appointment, I expect the plaintiffs to lose.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The Senate has followed the proper protocols. Protocols that Obama's own Justice Department argued for. These protocols compel a President to act with the advice and consent of Congress. Such advice and consent Obama has shunned. Now Obama has taken a further unprecedented step to take power from the Legislative. The community organizer needs to be shown the door.
    Well, Republicans, if that is true, (which it seems to be) then just what the hell are you going to do about it?? More action...less gum flapping. How many lines in the sand are they going to re-draw??
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Again, if you go and look at the original intent of Recess Appointments, as construed by the Founders, they make sense. It is the Executive, through the decades, that abused such to get around the Constitutional function of the Senate to block any appointment it chooses. It is the Executive that bastardized the process. However, the Legislative retained one option to prevent such abuse by the Executive, again as per the letter of the law.

    Now Obama has just disregarded such. Done what NO PRESIDENT IN HISTORY HAS EVER DONE BEFORE. See the link in the prior post.

    Its amazing with the libs. Its OK to break the rules when your guy is the one doing it. W never did it. Clinton never did it. Neither Elder Bush, Reagan, etc.

    And what rule did Obama break? Show me the letter of the rule he broke and how it was broke. Again, I'm not supporting what Obama did. I don't think it was breaking a rule, but I do think it was a common courtesy that was disrupted.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    This business of blocking persidential appointments for years on end started with the Gingrich Congress in 1994. It has been a hallmark of every Republican congress since then.

    As with the abuse of the filibuster, the flagrant obstructionism gets worse with each cycle. The GOP has repeatedly set new records for filibusters in every session it sits in opposition in, only to break their own record in the next session.

    The Federal courts are now littered with backlog because there is no one to try or hear the cases. Federal agencies plod along without management. And the government is funded almost entirely by continuing resolution, making budgeting and planning difficult to impossible.

    Republcians like to complain about the inefficiency and waste in government, while doing everything in their power to perpetuate it.

    Which is what happens when you take the most routine functions and polticize them.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, Republicans, if that is true, (which it seems to be) then just what the hell are you going to do about it?? More action...less gum flapping. How many lines in the sand are they going to re-draw??
    They have options, but all have political considerations, especially in an election year.

    The true risk/damage is in the breakdown of rules that keep the three branches in balance. If the relationship between opposing parties occupying the Executive and Legislative is now to just trash rules, we all will suffer.

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