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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    funny, did Obama break any laws by doing this?

    no, no he has not.
    This is a weasel response. The precedents are clearly against Obama, in fact the Dem Senators supporting this move are reversing their own course which they took when Bush was President. This precedent of using proforma sessions to cancel the recess appointment option existed even under Clinton as well. Obama supported this very precedent while in the Senate. He's is a hypocrite and so is Harry Reid.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Bush makes recess appointments, no problem. Obama makes recess appointments, it's a constitutional crisis. For gods sake people, whether something is right or wrong is not determined by who did it.
    Yes the right is utterly hypocritical. Not to mention, this recess appointment would not be needed if the Congress aka the GOP actually did their jobs instead of constantly blocking appointments. Obama is 3 years into his term, and he still has not gotten all his appointments approved from the first year.... in fact I believe he is the president in recent history to have least amount of appointments approved by congress, and all due to GOP cockblocking.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Bush makes recess appointments, no problem. Obama makes recess appointments, it's a constitutional crisis. For gods sake people, whether something is right or wrong is not determined by who did it.
    Bush made 182 recess appointments.There was no whining from Republicans then. Obama has made 28.


    McConnell publicly stated his job was to make Obama a One term President. The gimmick of holding a few seconds opening and closing back fired! Now we can start protecting people from the greed!

    Obama also made 3 appointments to the NLRB. Good for him!
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    Obama defies Congress with ‘recess’ picks

    Obama defies Congress with 'recess' picks - Washington Times

    Pushing the limits of his recess appointment powers, President Obama on Wednesday bypassed the Senate to install three members of the National Labor Relations Board and a director for the controversial new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau - moves Republicans said amounted to unconstitutional power grabs.

    Mr. Obama said the appointments, which he previewed during a campaign-style speech in Ohio, were necessary because Senate Republicans have blocked him at every turn. But in making the move, he rejected three precedents, including two in which he played a part, that would have blocked the appointments.

    “I refuse to take ‘no’ for an answer,” Mr. Obama said in Shaker Heights, drawing applause from his audience. “When Congress refuses to act and as a result hurts our economy and puts our people at risk, then I have an obligation as president to do what I can without them.”
    Now I have a problem with recess appointments regardless of who is President. Unless it is a National emergency (I.e. the Sec. of Defense dies while Congress is in Recess) that no one should be appointed without Congressional approval if Congressional approval is required.

    To me what makes this worse is that Congress (Senate) was NOT in recess when Pres. B.O. made these appointments.

    Its just another example of a power grab and a disregard for the Constitutional process'.

    Seems to me that we, the people, need to do some serious house cleaning this November. All of the House, 1/3 of the Senate and the President is up for re-election this November.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes the right is utterly hypocritical. Not to mention, this recess appointment would not be needed if the Congress aka the GOP actually did their jobs instead of constantly blocking appointments. Obama is 3 years into his term, and he still has not gotten all his appointments approved from the first year.... in fact I believe he is the president in recent history to have least amount of appointments approved by congress, and all due to GOP cockblocking.
    Do you realize that Obama had 60 Democrats in the Senate in his first two years ? LOL ......... if he didn't get an appointment then, it was Dems blocking .... sheeeesh

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Bush made 182 recess appointments.There was no whining from Republicans then. Obama has made 28.


    McConnell publicly stated his job was to make Obama a One term President. The gimmick of holding a few seconds opening and closing back fired! Now we can start protecting people from the greed!

    Obama also made 3 appointments to the NLRB. Good for him!
    Same to you. Obama had a super majority in the Senate for his first two years. You get your appointments that way. You also get fiasco's like Obamacare.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Same to you. Obama had a super majority in the Senate for his first two years. You get your appointments that way. You also get fiasco's like Obamacare.
    And the Republicans have not given any good reason to block the appointments. The only reason they don't want the appointments is that they were done by Obama. Sorry, that is not good enough reason.

    Also, yes, I am aware the Dems use this tactic as well and that is wrong too. When the Dems used tactics like the GOP is doing now, the conservatives called the Dems "Obstructionists". So where is the conservatievs cry of obstructionists against the GOP now? All we hear are crickets. F***ing hypocrits the conservatives are.

    We may have a partisan government, but we should not have a dysfunctional one.
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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Hey, if the President wants to say that anytime the doors are closed in the Senate that they are in recess, take it.

    For clarification, how many of the Bush recess appointments were made while the Senate was in pro-forma sessions?

    Don't worry, I already know the answer, its 0. The shortest recess during which a presidential appointment has been made in the past 20 years was 10 days, according to CRS.

    Here is a nice summary of what the issue is

    What is a recess appointment? - The Federal Eye - The Washington Post

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And the Republicans have not given any good reason to block the appointments. The only reason they don't want the appointments is that they were done by Obama. Sorry, that is not good enough reason.

    Also, yes, I am aware the Dems use this tactic as well and that is wrong too. When the Dems used tactics like the GOP is doing now, the conservatives called the Dems "Obstructionists". So where is the conservatievs cry of obstructionists against the GOP now? All we hear are crickets. F***ing hypocrits the conservatives are.

    We may have a partisan government, but we should not have a dysfunctional one.
    The GOP doesn't want the appointment because they feel, as I do, that the CFPB is a duplication of already existing functions of the federal government, most notably the FTC and SEC.

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    Re: Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And the Republicans have not given any good reason to block the appointments. The only reason they don't want the appointments is that they were done by Obama. Sorry, that is not good enough reason.

    Also, yes, I am aware the Dems use this tactic as well and that is wrong too. When the Dems used tactics like the GOP is doing now, the conservatives called the Dems "Obstructionists". So where is the conservatievs cry of obstructionists against the GOP now? All we hear are crickets. F***ing hypocrits the conservatives are.

    We may have a partisan government, but we should not have a dysfunctional one.
    Sorry, but this is just plain uninformed. The Senate has a Constitutional role to "advise and consent". That means that the President has to work with them, like it or not. Recess appointments were originally because the Senators would be gone for months, commuting by horseback, out of direct communications except by mail which took weeks. They were legitimate appointments. It is the Executive which abused the system over the years, not the Senate. Now the Executive has taken it even further.

    If you would research, you would see that the Senate GOP laid out their issues on this appointment long ago. You can also easily research it. It is you who are misinformed.

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